TweetyBird
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If one jot or tittle passes away, it all falls down. There is no more sacrifice for sin with the blood of animals. The whole Law falls down because that foundation was destroyed.
When Did the Disciples of Jesus Stop Observing the Old Testament Laws?
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If one jot or tittle passes away, it all falls down. There is no more sacrifice for sin with the blood of animals. The whole Law falls down because that foundation was destroyed.
ThreeAngels
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The Law of the ten commandments was written by God's finger and given to Moses on mount Sinai as written,"And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them."(see Exodus 24:12) while the law of Moses was written by Moses on God's dictation in a book. "And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them " (see Exodus 24:7). The Decalogue was kept inside the ark, as shown in the Scripture, "And thou shalt put into the ark the testimony which I shall give thee." Exodus25:16. The law of Moses was kept on the side of the ark of the covenant as is written in Deut 31:25,26 "... Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying, take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee."
Jesus did keep and fulfill the law but that does not in any way take the obligation of keeping the law from us. The Bible defines sin as"the transgression of the law" 1 John 3:4. Saying that there is no more obligation to keep the law since Jesus kept it is tantamount to saying that there is no more sin.
This thread is meant to address this misperception, that Paul teaches another gospel.
Did you read the opening article?
Many misuse Paul to maintain false teaching and tradition--exactly what Peter warned about.
This is useful for joos to reject their messiah and Christians to reject their trunk and root.
Flee evil, Satan prowls like a hungry lion.
One just has to read what joodah did to Israel to understand the danger of these snakes and their idolatrous counterfeits. You are either for or against and they have shown repeatedly they are against. They kill the Spirit, the Law and then the person of any who counters them as those in the locked upper room witnessed. True believers even feared Saul before he was Paul.
Yes.
Mixing truth with deception counterfeits the whole and the very reason to be afraid of those who do so.
You would make Him a liar when He said He would rise. This type of teaching is what Peter feared and warned against as he saw Him risen himself.
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Galatians 2:7 KJV - 2 gospels
The 12 didn't know -
Luke 18:31-32 KJV - Luke 18:33-34 KJV -
Luke 24:9-10 KJV - Luke 24:11 KJV -
Luke 18:31-32 KJV - Luke 18:33-34 KJV -
Luke 24:9-10 KJV - Luke 24:11 KJV -
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He desires mercy not sacrifice...
The priesthood has always been secondary and merely an act of memorandum.
Passover occured then remembered.
Creation occurred and on Sabbath we remember.
It is clear in the Bible, it was some 14 years after DBR that the 12 found out about Paul's gospel, given to him first by the risen ascended Christ on the road to Damascus.
Galatians 2:1 KJV - Galatians 2:2 KJV -
WRITTEN Commandments were nailed to the cross. Compare to Eph 2. The Greek words used are
G5498
χειρόγραφον
cheirographon
khi-rog'-raf-on
Neuter of a compound of G5495 and G1125; something hand written (“chirograph”), that is, a manuscript (specifically a legal document or bond (figuratively)): - handwriting.
G1378
δόγμα
dogma
dog'-mah
From the base of G1380; a law (civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical): - decree, ordinance.
Eph 2
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15 having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
The context of Col 2 shows that Paul is referring to the Mosaic Law itself.
Col 2
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: 11 in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 12 buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14 blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 and having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. 18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God. 20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, 21 (touch not; taste not; handle not; 22 which all are to perish with the usingafter the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.
https://abiblicalperspective.wordpress.com/2007/12/12/that-which-has-been-nailed-to-the-cross/
A little longer reading:
http://www.thethirdangelsmessage.com/the-book-of-the-law
As witness to the joos it's ironic Peter is head of the Roman church...or is it?
But wouldn't one of these gospels be another gospel?
The gospel is salvation and there is only one way...but in this case two audiences.
And the gospel as salvation was already in the OT and was alway welcoming foreigners...if they obeyed.
Those who have faith and believe will wish to obey.
Gentiles are merely grafted in and even biological law demands the grafted branch adheres to the root and stock it's attached to. You can't graft an apple branch to a orange tree. So spiritually speaking our fruit should closely follow the previous tradition.
So now ALL the Law was nailed to the cross?
2 different gospels and actually a "gospel" is any piece of good news - there are many gospels in the Bible
When did they find out? Why weren't they notified? Had you read the opening article of the thread you would have seen Peter and Paul and the early assemblies continuing as per usual. Usual being the old covenant ways.
You imply and argue from silence.
If the change occurred at that time then there would have been no need for the Passover to be kept that year.
Apparently the new covenant maintained the terms of the old and Passover continued to be celebrated and Peter remained kosher. Don't see Paul eating pork either though...
So there is no more sin?
Romans 6:11 KJV -
Slow down there champ...
"Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord."
We are dead to sin, sin is not dead, it still exists.
TweetyBird
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All of the Mosaic Law Covenant, yes, because it brought death, bondage, a yoke, and the desire to sin.
TweetyBird
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I don't see that. What Acts says it that broke bread together daity, joined together as a community, shared all their common goods, prayed and worshiped together and then went to the Temple to preach the Gospel. That does not sound like the Mosaic Law to me. I will say the change in keeping the law was progressive. Changing 1500 years of practice takes time to change. That is why Jesus called Paul, and taught him Himself so that he could reveal the mystery of the Gospel.
How is Jesus saying "this is My Blood of the New Covenant which is shed for many for the forgiveness of sins", speaking from silence?
Peter ate with the Gentiles. Jesus said what goes into the body cannot make one unclean and then God confirmed it to Peter when He let down the sheet full of unclean animals and told him to eat - 3 times. Jesus died at Passover so of course the new covenant was not in effect until He died. Paul lived in many communities during his ministry and mostly with the Gentiles. Having written that "But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse" I hardly doubt that Paul was "kosher". You do understand that "kosher" is not the same thing as what is written in the Mosaic Law?
Passover could not be maintained. It was completely satisfied in Christ. You don't "maintain" the shadows when the Light casts no shadows.