ECT WAS ISRAEL REALLY SET ASIDE AND WHEN ??

[DAN P]

Dan, if you have a point to make about those verses then tell us what your point is.

Thanks!

Hi and my pleasure to \again , share !!

In verse 13 , WAS PLACING / TITHEMI , IS IN THE NgREEK IMPERFECT TENSE which means that the VAIL that Moses placed to cover his face would be ABOLISHED and it took 1600 years !!

In 2 Cor 3:14 they , Israel REMAINETH / MENO even until Paul's early ministry and are still BLINDED even until NOW !!

And in verse 15 , the Greek IS UPON / KERMAI , in the PRESENT TENSE is still upon their heart !!

This is why Jews are not being saved and why there are NO Jews being evangelize in record numbers today !!

God gave Israel the spirit of STUPOR ( Rom 11:8 ) eyes to see not , and ears to hear NOT , UNTIL THIS DAY !!

That , Israel was set aside was accomplished almost 2000 years ago !!

dan p

 

[Interplanner]

I was wondering the same.

The Lord defends his city from all supernatural and human evil at the end of time, from the short time of rebellion at the end of this age, and immediately after their being vanquished, there is the NHNE.

You guys have one shot at some kind of ordinary battle as we know it with nukes and casualties, and it is just one line in Rev 20:9. One line. No other details, nothing Judaic. It is simply God's camp; all his people following him. It is not even "war" as we know it, because 'Fire came down from heaven' Your fraudulent divided God, Gospels, Bible, etc is just that.

Tam you haven't wondered anything in your life. You are entirely predictable and mindlessly compliant to D'ism, which was invented to make sense of the Bible by people who thought it did not.

The NHNE is not Judaic. It is not back to the Law. there is no back to the old covenant. We are God's house says Heb 3 and we have replaced the one that used to exist. That's in HEBREWS, not in some Gentile NT letter in your divided NT with all it compartments. And that's not the only citation of that.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

The Lord defends his city from all supernatural and human evil at the end of time, from the short time of rebellion at the end of this age, and immediately after their being vanquished, there is the NHNE.

The New Jerusalem comes down AFTER the rebellion. Study your Bible, not commentaries.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

In 2 Cor 3:14 they , Israel REMAINETH / MENO even until Paul's early ministry and are still BLINDED even until NOW !!

Yes, but there was a remnant out of Israel who did believe and they were baptized into the Body of Christ. And from what Paul said about that we can understand that all of the first century Jewish believers were members of the Body:

"But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby" (Eph.2:13-16).​

The middle wall of partition which stood between the Jewish believers and the Gentile believers has been broken down. Now both have been made "one" but some people like you think that the middle wall of partition still remains up for some of the Jewish believers.

If that is true then why did Paul not mention it in these verses because there is not even a hint that the middle wall of partition remains up and still stands between some of the Jewish believers and the Gentile believers.

 

[DAN P]

Yes, but there was a remnant out of Israel who did believe and they were baptized into the Body of Christ. And from what Paul said about that we can understand that all of the first century Jewish believers were members of the Body:

"But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby" (Eph.2:13-16).​

The middle wall of partition which stood between the Jewish believers and the Gentile believers has been broken down. Now both have been made "one" but some people like you think that the middle wall of partition still remains up for some of the Jewish believers.

If that is true then why did Paul not mention it in these verses because there is not even a hint that the middle wall of partition remains up and still stands between some of the Jewish believers and the Gentile believers.

Hi Jerry and Paul was saved in approx . 33AD and the transition lasted some 29 more tears and since God gave Israel the spirit of STUPOR , when Jesus ministry began , HOW MANY JEWS WERE SAVED IN THOSE 29 YEARS ??

In Acts , only some 3000 Jews were saved , BUT they were Law of Moses Law Keepers , in Acts 2:41 and in Acts 21:20 James points out to Paul of all the thousands of Jews are ZEALOUS of the Law !!

dan p

 

[Interplanner]

The New Jerusalem comes down AFTER the rebellion. Study your Bible, not commentaries.

I said the same thing. The battle in the previous image is against God's camp, but that does not require it to be a geographic spot. The city he loves is not a geographic spot, as we know from Heb 12. It is all the believers in fellowship with all previously-living-on-earth believers.

This is enormously different from 'siding' with Jerusalem on earth or with the race/state.

You need to absorb heb 12:22+ much better than you have.

It all starts by your thinking that "Hebrews" is the race/state, and there is no internal proof of that.

Don't base everything on imagery from the Rev. It must match the ordinary-stated passages of the NT like 2 Peter 3 or my usual list, where there is nothing Judaic.

 

[Interplanner]

Hi Jerry and Paul was saved in approx . 33AD and the transition lasted some 29 more tears and since God gave Israel the spirit of STUPOR , when Jesus ministry began , HOW MANY JEWS WERE SAVED IN THOSE 29 YEARS ??

In Acts , only some 3000 Jews were saved , BUT they were Law of Moses Law Keepers , in Acts 2:41 and in Acts 21:20 James points out to Paul of all the thousands of Jews are ZEALOUS of the Law !!

dan p

They were not all keepers of the Law, as we know from Peter's vision and eating what seafood the Gentiles offered him, Acts 9. This is not the definitive issue of Acts. Rather it nearly disappears. As it should, see Hebrews about external regulations.

I don't see where 'zealous for the Law' was a good thing, either. Compare rom 10:1-4. It's the race of Israel's mistake. It was meant to be shed. People make mistakes. The narrative of Acts does not mean that what was done by people in Acts was the standard, like Paul asking for a high priest to be smacked, which is not real 'zealous for the law' is it? lol.

 

[DAN P]

They were not all keepers of the Law, as we know from Peter's vision and eating what seafood the Gentiles offered him, Acts 9. This is not the definitive issue of Acts. Rather it nearly disappears. As it should, see Hebrews about external regulations.

I don't see where 'zealous for the Law' was a good thing, either. Compare rom 10:1-4. It's the race of Israel's mistake. It was meant to be shed. People make mistakes. The narrative of Acts does not mean that what was done by people in Acts was the standard, like Paul asking for a high priest to be smacked, which is not real 'zealous for the law' is it? lol.

Hi IP , in Acts 21:20 , ZEALOUS / ZEIOTES means Burning with zeal , a Zealot , Vehemently Contending for the Law !!

They were LAW / NOMOS and were Law keepers !!

dan p

 

[Interplanner]

Hi IP , in Acts 21:20 , ZEALOUS / ZEIOTES means Burning with zeal , a Zealot , Vehemently Contending for the Law !!

They were LAW / NOMOS and were Law keepers !!

dan p

But were they supposed to be, or was this part of the mistake of that generation like Heb 5:11-6:12? They were going back to the weak and miserable elementary principles of the law. they were not maturing in Christ.

Like Paul's asking for the high priest to be smacked, we don't take everything in Acts as the RULE or STANDARD for all believers at all times.

 

[DAN P]

No, because the Gospel mentioned there is one. Because there is only one verb 'gospelling'. Compare the same sentence structure right after in v7: there is one God working among both. Not one God for each group.

Your conclusions and method are ridiculous.

Hi and thanks for your CALLOW observation !!

I Gal 2:7 , the KJV added the word the words " the gospel " before , of the Circumcision was unto Peter !!

But I assume you checked the Greek text ?

Will you tell us why the words " the gospel " were ADDED ?

Only kin verse 7 were Paul's message called a GOSPEL , but you knew that , RIGHT ??

dan p

 

[Danoh]

There is no gospel of the uncircumcision. That is an archaic understanding of bad English 1900 years after the originals. The NIV renders: 'the task of preaching the gospel to the Gentiles.' Get it? Otherwise you will spiral wildly out of control.

The issue is one of an entire doctrine, not of a word and or of a passage or two.

As Justin Johnson rightly put it to MADs (in the OP of the "Rightly Dividing MADs" thread) his point to MADs: where a MAD is found dealing with strawmen - "Your message (fellow MADs) needs to be much more clarified."

:chuckle:

Rom. 5: 6-8.

 

[Danoh]

It doesn't change the fact that upon receiving the gospel of the uncircumcision Paul went immediately into Arabia and when he received the gospel which he preached to the cirumcision he went immediately into Damascus.

You have not addressed that.

Lay out your understanding of the chronological order of that (with the passages).

We'll go from there.

Acts 17: 11,12

Rom. 5: 6-8.

 

[john w]

People make mistakes.... lol.

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I need to write this one down.

 

[DAN P]

They were not all keepers of the Law, as we know from Peter's vision and eating what seafood the Gentiles offered him, Acts 9. This is not the definitive issue of Acts. Rather it nearly disappears. As it should, see Hebrews about external regulations.

I don't see where 'zealous for the Law' was a good thing, either. Compare rom 10:1-4. It's the race of Israel's mistake. It was meant to be shed. People make mistakes. The narrative of Acts does not mean that what was done by people in Acts was the standard, like Paul asking for a high priest to be smacked, which is not real 'zealous for the law' is it? lol.

What , you do not trust the old KJV and Acts 21:20 , where it says ZELOTES / ZEALOUS , by the Holy Spirit is of little PICAYUNE TO YOU ??

dan p