ok doser
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seems like that should be enough to clear that up :thumb:
do you suppose artie, glory and tam will admit their mistake and apologize?
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seems like that should be enough to clear that up :thumb:
do you suppose artie, glory and tam will admit their mistake and apologize?
Whoever loves instruction loves knowledge, But he who hates correction is stupid. - Proverbs 12:1 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs12:1&version=NKJV
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
well, that rules out one of them :chuckle:
I just like to get things on sale.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
Then if it is GOD's will that you obey the civil law, adulterers are not to be stoned to death.
That should settle the issue as to what GOD wants you to do.
GOD's law is that you obey the civil law, so how can it violate GOD's law?
Again, if it is GOD's will that you obey civil laws, then that is what you should be advocating and not wanting to CHANGE it.
I mean, come on JR, it can't be CLOSER to GOD's law if HIS law is to obey the civil law.
Then you are saying that GOD giving our civil laws authority was unjust.
Where is grace, mercy, and forgiveness for the sinner in that?
One would think that after you have studied the Mosaic law that you would realize that living under that law condemns all.
Because if man could be a righteous man living under the Mosaic law, then Christ died in vain.
Again, the law is not of faith, and the just shall live by faith, not law.
And again, if one chooses to live under law then they must abide by the WHOLE law (every jot and tittle).
Arthur Brain
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Well, nobody actually said that JR advocated taking a couple "caught in the act" without a trial and a judge and stone them there and then anyway. What he advocates is bat crazy but I've acknowledged that he still requires a trial and two to three witnesses so what am I supposed to be apologising for dosy?
Ahh, we should put a bug in Knight's ear.
And then go shopping for shoes on sale!
@Knight
Put some subscriptions on sale!
Arthur Brain
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Then you should accept the correction you've been shown and re-evaluate things...
Arthur Brain
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If the current governance is appointed by God then what in the world are you complaining about?
The instruction is to obey civil authorities, is it not?
Was GOD telling you to obey something HE did not want you to obey?
Apparently he is disappointed in GOD's decision.
The punishment should be what GOD has instructed.
And GOD has instructed that you obey civil authority.
But for some reason GOD's decision does not set well with you.
Civil authority says adulterers should not be stoned to death at all.
And if that is the authority GOD wants you to obey, then it is wrong to suggest the civil authorities are wrong and should change.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
looks like you're dealing with stupid people :idunno:
Arthur Brain
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Well, he does deal with you so no argument there...
Arthur Brain
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Yup, on the one hand he advocates all of this crazy stuff and on the other he acknowledges that appointed governances in the present age are ordained and the very same have no truck with his legalism.
Oops.
So, you're just an antiquated crank advocating for laws which will never come to pass?
That's a relief.
Arthur Brain
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Not only that, he's also insisting that these ordained authorities are somehow violating God's own laws.
Go figure.
:AMR:
Meh...he's simply relegated to spending his remaining days yelling at CNN in his Bark-O-Lounger. :sozo2:
Not worth the time.
Hate to be his neighbor though!
Uh, no, God's will is that we also obey HIM rather than man (at least in issues pertaining to morality).
Hence why I quoted the verse from Acts.
See above.
Man says: Adultery should be legal (or not illegal).
God says: Adultery should be illegal and punishable by death.
Things that contradict God are ALWAYS wrong.
:think: "We must obey God rather than man" :think:
It's not his law to obey governmental authorities.
It's His will that one does, EXCEPT when the governmental authorities violate His laws. And in the case of adultery, the governmental authorities violate God's law by legalizing adultery.
Straw man.
God gave the law, absolute morality. Man made his own, mostly imitating (even if unintentional) God's law.
God's law is just. Man's law has the possibility of being just, as long as it imitates God's law.
Between the sentence for an evil work and the execution, for grace and forgiveness, and after death for mercy.
It's also merciful to the victims of adultery to punish the criminal.
Uh... No, it doesn't.
If a man lives under the law, HE is the one who is condemned, not the ones around him.
Once again, my goal is not to make society righteous. My goal is to slow the decay of society.
[QUTOE]Again, the law is not of faith, and the just shall live by faith, not law.[/QUOTE]
Which has nothing to do with what we're talking about.
We're talking about whether a wicked person should be punished.
I agree, except when that law contradicts God's law.
It's also to obey God RATHER than man.
Meaning that "obey the governmental authorities" is a general rule of thumb, not an absolute.
God hasn't told me anything except through his Word, the Bible.
Then you should agree that "the adulterer and adulteress should be put to death" is to be the punishment for adultery.
*pounds gavel* Case closed!
As a general rule of thumb, yes.
Straw man.
It sits perfectly well with me, because there's more to it than just "obey the civil authorities."
And God says the adulterer and adulteress should be executed.
Let God be true and every man a liar.
False premise and subsequent straw man.
God wants man to obey the government, but He also wants man to obey HIM over the government, especially if what the government says to do is evil.