Barbarian observes:
And yet the benefits of an educated population that public schools provide for you, still exists, there is no alternative choice except your vote. Most of what you get from public education is not the education of your own children.
False, there are many other choices private, homeschool, charter are among those,
Show us a nation that depends on those, and explain why it works better than ours.
The same argument works for defense. We could shut down the Department of Defense, require every adult to become proficient in shooting a rifle, and have them keep one in the house for time of war.
But that doesn't work, either.
and there is no benefit to "public run education" when it would better suit the children if the choices existed and the money was freely available (vouchers) to exercise the right of school choice.
It exists in charter schools, but as you know, most of them have done an awful job. And there has been embezzlement in a surprising number of cases.
Education of illegals seems to be your only concern here, being all taxpayers would receive a voucher to use at the school of their choice.
Illegal immigrants also pay taxes. How do you think they avoid taxes, (other than the ways citizens sometimes do it)? But what matters is the kind of society we'd degenerate into, if public education wasn't available.
Barbarian observes:
Texas tried it with charter schools. A few shine. Most are awful, some with a good deal of criminal mismanagement tossed in.
Must be just Texas then, California charter schools have shown to be centers of excellence, they are so coveted, children are accepted based on GPA, and even then they have to hold a lottery. Interesting when you take the teachers unions out of the equation how good schools can be.
1. How do the test scores of California charter schools compare to those of traditional public schools?
The study reviewed both charter and traditional public school performance on achievement tests at the elementary, middle, and high school levels. After adjusting for differences in student demographics it found that:
Charter high schools score modestly higher than noncharters on the Academic Performance Index and in English, but do not score as well in math.
Charter middle schools outscore noncharters on all measures, but the differences are relatively small.
Charter elementary schools score lower than noncharter elementary schools on all measures, with differences in the small to moderate range.
http://www.edsource.org/iss_cha_09report_FAQ.html
Hardly "excellent." The failure of charter schools to teach math is the most troubling deficiency. But yes, even slightly deficient is better than the record in Texas.
Barbarian observes:
In Texas, it was no contest, even though many of the governmental mandates placed on public schools were not placed on charter schools. They still failed.
The lack of mandates is why our charter schools have done so well, Texas must be an exception but, your obvious fear of the privatization of schools is duly noted.
Well, I do think that math is an important skill. Clearly, the failure of California Charter schools to teach math is somewhat balanced by modestly increased scores in English. We do need English majors, as well as scientists and Engineers.
Barbarian observes:
And the highly successful private schools do much of the "liberal" indoctrination you object to. More than public schools, which remain accountable to the voters.
Yea, all those Christian schools pump that liberal rubbish too.
Yes, some of them do. But the secular private schools do more, I think. And there are some private schools that teach rightwing nonsense as well. You see, once a school is no longer accountable to the public, it can go all sorts of ways that harm children.
C'mon barbie you will have to make a better case than that.
Well, look at the evidence. Kinda speaks for itself.
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