ECT The rapture is after the tribulation and at the last trumpet

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Danoh

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The one taken, the other left is NOT the Pre-Trib Rapture.

Luke 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. 17:35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 17:36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

Matthew 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. Luke 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

When and where to?

Revelation 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

When and where to?

Matthew 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 24:50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, 24:51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
 
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ZacharyB said:
Jesus said in Matthew 24 that the elect would be gathered AFTER the tribulation period.
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He was speaking of the prophetic regathering of the elect(chosen people Israel) back to the land promised by angels/messengers.

The BOC is caught up by the Lord Himself as revealed through the Apostle to the nations/gentiles...Paul, according to mystery.
 
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The only time the rapture was connected to events were events about the destruction of Jerusalem and the guy who would use the temple sacriligiously and claim to be a messiah. There were 3 who did so in the DofJ.

It is never used again and the 'changing' of I Cor 15 is not connected to events in Judea.

The 'taken' in Mt 24B is not about it; it is bad to be taken in that context.
 
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The only time the rapture was connected to events were events about the destruction of Jerusalem and the guy who would use the temple sacriligiously and claim to be a messiah. There were 3 who did so in the DofJ.

It is never used again and the 'changing' of I Cor 15 is not connected to events in Judea.

The 'taken' in Mt 24B is not about it; it is bad to be taken in that context.
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The one taken, the other left is NOT the Pre-Trib Rapture.

Luke 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. 17:35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 17:36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

Matthew 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. Luke 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

When and where to?
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What is that supposed to prove ? It only proves one person got the passage mixed up more than likely. Its astounding how far people will go to try and prove a point. What does the passage even mean ? Could it apply to many situations? Sure, it only means that the Eagles are gathered where the carcass is. So it could apply to both the Rapture (where Lord?) or the Second Coming (where Lord?) and it will be where it is, OF COURSE, just like the Eagles will be where the carcass is at. Its a saying kind of like It is what it is. Nothing more, and could apply to either event.

Revelation 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. 19:17
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Reaching hey ? If you just read the whole of chapter 19 you will understand there has to be a Rapture before the Second Coming. There are MANY PEOPLE IN HEAVEN, we marry the Lamb, we then travel back to earth with Jesus Christ where the Armies of the Anti-Christ await us. That means we are in Heaven while they are on Earth That means a Rapture has taken place. It is unavoidable.

Matthew 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
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If you ever grasp that Jesus came only unto Israel it will fall into place. The Wheat is Israel. The Tares are the Evil minions. Since Israel has 90-95 percent of its population in unbelief at the time of the Rapture, and only turns to God just before the AoD, tat means the Wheat (Israel) and the Tares (Wicked) will grow together until the end of the Age. Then when Jesus and the Church returns, The Wicked will be bound.


We see in Rev. 20:3-4 that there will be no Judgment for a 1000 years, that means the Wicked are Bound first then the Wheat (Israel) are gathered into the barn. The Judgment seat is set up for the Righteous, but the Wicked will only be bound (killed and placed in the Grave) until the 1000 years pass. The Church is in Heaven. It cant "grow" with the wicked till the end.

The Church is Raptured. Israel goes through the tribulation.
 
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Rondonmonson said:
What is that supposed to prove ? It only proves one person got the passage mixed up more than likely. Its astounding how far people will go to try and prove a point. What does the passage even mean ? Could it apply to many situations ? Sure, it only means that the Eagles are gathered where the carcass is. So it could apply to both the Rapture (where Lord?) or the Second Coming (where Lord?) and it will be where it is, OF COURSE, just like the Eagles will be where the carcass is at. Its a saying kind of like It is what it is. Nothing more, and could apply to either event.



Reaching hey ? If you just read the whole of chapter 19 you will understand here has to be a Rapture before the Second Coming. There is MANY PEOPLE IN HEAVEN, we marry the Lamb, we then travel back to earth with Jesus Christ where the Armies of the Anti-Christ await us. That means we are in Heaven while they are on Earth That means a Rapture has taken place. It is unavoidable.



If you ever grasp that Jesus came only to Israel it will fall into place. The Wheat is Israel. The Tares are the Evil minions. Since Israel has 90-95 percent of its population in unbelief at the time of the Rapture, and only turns to God just before the AoD, tat means the Wheat (Israel) and the Tares (Wicked) will grow together until the end of the Age. Then when Jesus and the Church returns, The Wicked will be bound.


We see in Rev. 20:3-4 that there will be no Judgment for a 1000 years, that means the Wicked are Bound first then the Wheat (Israel) are gathered into the barn. The Judgment seat is set up for the Righteous, but the Wicked will only be bound (killed and placed in the Grave) until the 1000 years pass. The Church is in Heaven. It cant "grow" with the wicked till the end.

The Church is Raptured. Israel goes through the tribulation.
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It means that the Judaizers of the 1st century would sweep the country and impound people to fight for them. If you were taken, you fought for them against Rome or they killed you themselves. As he said, 'how horrible it will be in those days...'
 
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37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left.

They will be taken, judgment, as in the days of Noah and the flood. Showing six days and no gaps also.
 
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Rondonmonson

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Interplanner said:
It means that the Judaizers of the 1st century would sweep the country and impound people to fight for them. If you were taken, you fought for them against Rome or they killed you themselves. As he said, 'how horrible it will be in those days...'
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It means no such thing. You see those that dont believe in the Rapture have to create all sorts of hoops to jump through.
 
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Rondonmonson said:
It means no such thing. You see those that dont believe in the Rapture have to create all sorts of hoops to jump through.
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It's a fragile limb Ron. There's so little about it compared to the promises to Abraham topic. Notice that most of what he said about it was in his first letters and nothing tied to events in Judea in I Cor 15.

My 40 year impression of hoop jumping is that rapture-fantasists find hoops on every page.

They have no idea what happened 20, 30 and 40 years after the Gospel events of Christ.
 
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It's a fragile limb Ron. There's so little about it compared to the promises to Abraham topic. Notice that most of what he said about it was in his first letters and nothing tied to events in Judea in I Cor 15.

My 40 year impression of hoop jumping is that rapture-fantasists find hoops on every page.

They have no idea what happened 20, 30 and 40 years after the Gospel events of Christ.
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Your, by then...traditions of men happened...on a wide scale.

2 Timothy 1:15 This thou knowest, that all they which are in Asia be turned away from me; of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes.
 
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