ECT The Most Misunderstood Passage in the Bible--Romans 5:12-18
- Thread starter Jerry Shugart
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You arent right there, you are assuming you are right, there is more than one meaning for the word, like heir clearly laid out for you.
Youre declaring you are right, and then posting you showing your claim about it, then saying because you made a claim, you are right, but doesnt mean you are.
Nope. My point was clear in my post to GD, that I had asserted the exact thing that GD had asserted it meant.
Nang
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How do you know? How would these saints have access to God, apart or without the indwelling Holy Spirit?
None of these O.T. saints were saved according to their obedience. Rather, their obedience demonstrated their faith in the covenant promises of God, proving their salvation was according to grace and the imputation of Godly righteousness, alone.
God only knows how you define Pelagianism. Do you know and understand the history, definition, and Scriptural reasons Christians have always rejected it as heresy?
Or are you simply determined to make this the anti-Christian hill you will die on, only to stubbornly deny the absolute sovereignty of God?
There is this...
John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
But there is also this, some four years earlier than Pentecost...
Luke 1:67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,
Just as there is this, many centuries earlier....
2 Samuel 23:2 The Spirit of the LORD spake by me, and his word was in my tongue.
But there is also this, many centuries later...
1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
But there is also this, some four years earlier than Pentecost...
Luke 1:67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,
Just as there is this, many centuries earlier....
2 Samuel 23:2 The Spirit of the LORD spake by me, and his word was in my tongue.
But there is also this, many centuries later...
1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Paul did.
Nang
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Paul did . . What?
glorydaz
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You'd better not go delete your posts where you said conversation was talking back and forth.
Might be one of those CLUB members messing with ya from behind the curtain.
glorydaz
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Well, that thread had some very telling things in it. :chew:
Heir did NOT say, as you claimed, that the word "conversation" refers to today's definiton - of people talking to one another. That's an outright LIE. She used scripture, as she always does, and if you misread what was written, that's your bad. She knows GM, not just by talking to him, but by fellowship around the word of God. 1 Corinthians 1:9KJV The verses she provided were referring to being able to know the person through what they reveal from the abundance of their heart. With GM, it's clearly a love of the Gospel.
Your claim, apparently, was that in order to really know GM, we would have to look at his life. That's error. You were so anxious to find fault that you ignored the context of the verses she provided. Your motive in that tells us more about you than anything else does.
What I saw was you being your typical know-it-all self. You lose...eat crow.
glorydaz
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Nonsense. She wasn't even talking about this text. :nono:
Ephesians 2:2-3KJV
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
glorydaz
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God talked to them. Haven't you read the OT?
They didn't have the indwelling Spirit...the Comforter had not yet come.
The Holy Spirit would come and go as needed.
I didn't say how they were saved, did I?
So, you're saying this is a lie?
Ezekiel 14:20 Though Noah, Daniel, and Job were in it, as I live, saith the Lord God, they shall deliver neither son nor daughter; they shall but deliver their own souls by their righteousness.
I don't worry about defining anything except the meaning of some word I find in Scripture.
I've heard of lots of things being heresy, including being saved by faith alone.
I'm simply determined to fight the unholy doctrine of TULIP, and such other kinds of nonsense that have no support from Scripture.
glorydaz
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Yep
That's not the Comforter that indwells and never leaves.
That's not the Comforter that indwells and never leaves.
Departing from the faith has nothing to do with the Comforter (indwelling Spirit).
Never have.
And mind your own business, I posted that to Tam because she is a moderator
glorydaz
Well-known member
Never have.
And mind your own business, I posted that to Tam because she is a moderator
I don't have to mind my own business because I'm a member here.
The point of all four quotes was the same.
That the Spirit is depicted working in some capacity throughout the Scripture.
Not how, but merely that He is.