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TulipBee said:
Lets skip over your mess.
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So, then, you in fact HAVE no proof that any particular recently-invented, man-made Protestant sect qualifies as that one historic Church founded by Jesus Christ himself in 33 A.D. That's what I thought. Of course, the reason for this is that NONE of them is Christ's true Church, let alone all of them. That status belongs to the ancient Catholic Church and to her alone.



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TulipBee said:
Picky picky picky. Lets close that the rc denomination has been refuted many times over. The refutes were from reliable sources for hundreds of years.
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Then you should have no trouble posting at least ONE of these "refutations" from "reliable sources." Go ahead, then. Post your proof.
 
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HisServant said:
And you exhibit the same attitude as a Romanist that the OPC students did at the college I attended did that alienated them from the rest of the student body... they used to say they were the 'Only Perfect Church'. Arrogant and prideful idiots... all of them. And it seems you haven't changed your stripes.
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Your entirely ad hominem and therefore utterly irrelevant screed aside, the simple fact is that Jesus Christ himself founded a single historic Church that must still exist today (Mt. 16:18-19; 1 Tim. 3:15). None of the myriad non-Catholic sects qualifies as Christ's one historic Church---including yours. If you disagree, then simply go ahead and post your proof for the claim that your preferred non-Catholic sect is in fact that one historic Church founded by Jesus Christ himself in 33 A.D. Let's have it, then. Put up or shut up.



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Cruciform said:
So, then, you in fact HAVE no proof that any particular recently-invented, man-made Protestant sect qualifies as that one historic Church founded by Jesus Christ himself in 33 A.D. That's what I thought. Of course, the reason for this is that NONE of them is Christ's true Church, let alone all of them. That status belongs to the ancient Catholic Church and to her alone.



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Nor does rcc have any proof of the true apostolic successions. We've been through this before. You've been refuted and have no proofs. I won't read your links cause there isn't any proofs. You don't get to make up truths. Protestants will continue and we will worship God without you. The church will never die. Use the bible, not some loose records with a pretty stamp.
 
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TulipBee said:
Nor does rcc have any proof of the true apostolic successions.
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You're publicly admitting, then, that you have no proof whatsoever that your chosen recently-invented, man-made non-Catholic sect is that one historic Church founded by Jesus Christ himself in 33 A.D., correct? Yes or no?
 
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Cruciform said:
You're publicly admitting, then, that you have no proof whatsoever that your chosen recently-invented, man-made non-Catholic sect is that one historic Church founded by Jesus Christ himself in 33 A.D., correct? Yes or no?
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Thats a broken question from broken apostolic seccession and you try so hard to break us. Get behind us so we can worship the true Jesus.

People mistakenly think that there is an earthly organization that is the one true church as if a collection of people, church structures, and "authority" designates that it is the "one true church" on earth. But, this is a wrong assumption. The true church is not an earthly organization. It is not a series of buildings and ceremonies rooted in ancient tradition. Instead, the church is the body of true believers. The true church consists of those who are regenerate, that is, it consists of those who are "the called," the true Christians.

Rom. 1:6, "among whom you also are the called (klaytos) of Jesus Christ."
1 Cor. 1:24, "but to those who are the called (klaytos), both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God."
Jude 1, "Jude, a bond-servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to those who are the called (klaytos), beloved in God the Father, and kept for Jesus Christ."
Rev. 17:14, "These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are with Him are the called (klaytos) and chosen (eklektos) and faithful."
The greek word "klaytos" means "call, invited, divinely selected and appointed."1 The Greek word of "church" is ekklesia and is formed from a compound of the word, "ek," (out of) and "kaleo" (call). Therefore, the church is the "called out ones." "Eklektos" in Rev. 17:14 above means simply means "chosen" and comes from the verb, "eklegomai," which means to choose, to choose out. Therefore, the church, the ekkesia, is the "called out ones."

Okay, but you might respond by saying you can't look into the hearts of people and know who is and is not truly saved. That is true. But, can we look at earthly "churches" and see if it they are Biblical or not? The answer is simple once we understand what makes someone a Christian or not. I have reproduced part of the information found at the doctrine grid which lays out the essential and non-essential doctrines. Once we know what is essential, we can then look at a church and see if it is Christian or not. More at https://carm.org/questions/about-church/which-church-one-true-church
 
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"Let no one in any way deceive you, for it [Jesus' return] will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction," (2 Thess. 2:3, NASB).

Apostasy means to fall away from the truth. Therefore, an apostate is someone who has once believed and then rejected the truth of God. Apostasy is a rebellion against God because it is a rebellion against truth. In the Old Testament, God warned the Jewish people about their idolatry and their lack of trust in Him. In the New Testament, the epistles warn us about not falling away from the truth. Apostasy is a very real and dangerous threat here.
 
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chrysostom said:
is this your authority?
-look what tulipbee found on the internet
-it has a cut and paste section
"This section has condensed information designed to allow you to easily copy and paste what you need into chat rooms and emails. It's free to use."
-why do you trust it?
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I'm creative and save time on the lost. I'm a artist. You're mad cause I corrected you. There are very good reasons to copy and paste. Its to show what you really believe based on your most trusted CCC:
Mary is the all holy one: "By asking Mary to pray for us, we acknowledge ourselves to be poor sinners and we address ourselves to the 'Mother of Mercy,' the All-Holy One," (CCC 2677).
Devotion to Mary: "The liturgical feasts dedicated to the Mother of God and Marian prayer, such as the rosary, an "epitome of the whole Gospel," express this devotion to the Virgin Mary," (CCC. 971).
Pray to Mary: "Mary is the perfect Orans (pray-er), a figure of the Church. When we pray to her, we are adhering with her to the plan of the Father," (CCC 2679).
Mary is worshipped: " . . . . when she [Mary] is the subject of preaching and worship she prompts the faithful to come to her Son . . . " (Vatican Council II, p. 420). See quote in Context
No Better way than to look to Mary: "After speaking of the Church, her origin, mission, and destiny, we can find no better way to conclude than by looking to Mary," (CCC 972).
"so no man goeth to Christ but by His Mother," (Vatican Website: Encyclical of Pope Leo 13th on the Rosary, Octobri Mense, Pope Leo 13th, 1903-1914).
Mary brings us the gifts of Eternal Life: Mary, " . . . . by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation . . . (CCC par. 969).
Mary made atonement for the sins of man: " . . . Mary, by her spiritual entering into the sacrifice of her divine son for men, made atonement for the sins of man and (de congruon) merited the application of the redemptive grace of Christ. In this manner she cooperates in the subjective redemption of mankind." (Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, Ott, page 213).
 
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chrysostom said:
the church teaches:
-redemption
-repentance
-forgiveness
-grace
-work
-mercy
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TulipBee said:
Thats a broken question...
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Thus, you in fact have no proof whatsoever that your chosen recently-invented, man-made non-Catholic sect (the PCA) is that one historic Church founded by Jesus Christ himself in 33 A.D. (Mt. 16:18-19; cf. 1 Tim. 3:15), which was precisely my point.
 
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Cruciform said:
Thus, you in fact have no proof whatsoever that your chosen recently-invented, man-made non-Catholic sect (the PCA) is that one historic Church founded by Jesus Christ himself in 33 A.D. (Mt. 16:18-19; cf. 1 Tim. 3:15), which was precisely my point.
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Neither do you
 
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