The Trinity doctrine teaches the conscious pre-existence of Jesus before He was born.
LA
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The Trinity doctrine teaches the conscious pre-existence of Jesus before He was born.
LA
SaulToPaul 2
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The Son has always existed.
Luk 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
Luk 2:21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.
SaulToPaul 2
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The Son has always existed.
Who is the King of Israel, the Saviour of Israel, and the Holy One of Israel? (The LORD in OT, The Lord Jesus).
I know it was a rabbit trail, but God does not want LA to perish. And LA rejects the work at the cross.
In post 55 you said, "...if you don't hold fast to Paul's gospel that he died for our sin, then you will perish."
My question is for how long will they perish if they don't hold fast to Paul's gospel?
No LA does not.
You add to Gods word by you saying all of your future sins are forgiven 2000 years ago, and you need no forgiveness now.
1Jn 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
LA
If Jesus was the Holy one of OT Israel then as He was a husband to Israel and divorced them then according to Gods law He could not remarry them. It would be an abomination, God said.
Jesus was raised up by God to be a husband to a new creation people, the Bride of Christ drawn from peoples of all nations--
Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
See my new thread on who the Bride of Christ really is.
LA
So are you going to explain to me, seeing as I don't know you, what your relationship with Christ is?
It is essential because Jesus Christ did not come to teach us how to be saved or to be an example to us as to lifestyle only.
He came to GIVE US His LIFE, now the life He gives is not merely human life but divine life.
It is when we receive His divine life that we KNOW beyond all argument or debate that yes He is God.
Ahhhh, so thou art a Unitarian.
What I cannot figure out is ...
Do you refuse to give up your denomination?
(All denominations are tainted by certain pet doctrines of man.)
Or ...
Are you actually blind to what Scripture says about who Jesus was/is?
OR ...
Both of the above?
Good question.
do you want the scriptural answer or the personal experience one.
LA
Okay, I ask with respect ...
Have you looked at some of the references given in the OP?
If so, why is it that you do not believe the verses?
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Question: Who did Moses here:
"And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen."
Exodus 33:22-23 (KJV)
Well,
although the Father has melded with His Son in a way which no science can explain, the Father remains the creator God, and the Son remains a man howbeit a divine one, the first (both ways) of many.
If you are trying to say Jesus is divine then that is fine with me, but the Trinity doctrine claims Jesus is the creator which He is not.
LA
John 1:1-3 King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Colossians 1:15-18 King James Version (KJV)
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
The Father created all things.
Rev 4:10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
Rev 5:7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
Rev 4:10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
Rev 5:7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.