Maybe this is why you can't discern morality? Busy chasing ghosts. Halloween will soon be here. I'm partial to pope outfits.
the beasts of Daniel
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Maybe this is why you can't discern morality? Busy chasing ghosts. Halloween will soon be here. I'm partial to pope outfits.
so what are you chasing?
the thread is clearly identified
and
the post is a reasonable position
you don't need to understand this
you just have to let others do it
HisServant
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Why would God forsake his son and allow a 3rd temple to be built?
why should we be discussing this?
babylon
greese
rome
islam
greese
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genuineoriginal
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I think it has something to do with the temple
don't mess with the temple
it makes you a beast
it makes you a beast
the two beasts of the apocalypse
are
the last two beasts of daniel
are
the last two beasts of daniel
JosephR
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you are the army of the North....
shirely, you can't be serious
the king of the north
is
the Umayyad Caliphate
and
it is responsible for the
abomination of desolation
JosephR
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Yes ROME did make the abomination of desolation as it was LAW to put a statue of the Roman God man in every temple.. word for word.. you are that..
False Prophet
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The first beast was Babylon.
36 “That was your dream. Now we will tell the king what it means. 37 O king, you are the greatest king. God of heaven has given you a kingdom, power, strength, and glory. 38 Wherever people, wild animals, and birds live, God made you ruler over them. King Nebuchadnezzar, you are the head of gold on that statue. Dan 2
Daniel identifies the first beast here. Nebuchadrezzar was king of Babylon. The head of gold, the breast of silver, the belly of brass, and the feet of iron make up the statue. Babylon is the first beast.
9 “Another kingdom will come after you, but it will not be as great as yours. Next a third kingdom, the bronze part, will rule over the earth. 40 Then there will be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron. In the same way that iron crushes and smashes things to pieces, the fourth kingdom will smash and crush all the other kingdoms. Dan 2
The next kingdom or beast is Persia. The beasts are identified as four great kingdoms that rule the earth. The center of the world at that time was the fertile crescent.
17 ‘The four great animals are four kingdoms that will come from the earth. 18 But the holy people who belong to the Most High God will receive the power to rule and will have the power to rule forever, from now on.’ Dan 7
Babylon fell to Cyrus after the fall of the Assyrian Empire. Nineveh was razed to the ground by Caxeres the Mede and Nabopolazzar the Chaldean in 612 BC. Cyrus made his decree for the Jews to return from Babylonian exile in 536 BC.
20 “You saw a male sheep with two horns, which are the kings of Media and Persia. 21 The male goat is the king of Greece, and the big horn between its eyes is the first king. 22 The four horns that grew in the place of the broken horn are four kingdoms. Those four kingdoms will come from the nation of the first king, but they will not be as strong as the first king. Dan 8
Alexander the Great was the first king, and his kingdom was divided up after his death. Ptolomy took over Egypt, and Seleucus took over Syria. Greece and Turkey made up the other two kingdoms. They all fell to Rome after the Punic Wars; the beast that was, that is not , and will rise again.
36 “That was your dream. Now we will tell the king what it means. 37 O king, you are the greatest king. God of heaven has given you a kingdom, power, strength, and glory. 38 Wherever people, wild animals, and birds live, God made you ruler over them. King Nebuchadnezzar, you are the head of gold on that statue. Dan 2
Daniel identifies the first beast here. Nebuchadrezzar was king of Babylon. The head of gold, the breast of silver, the belly of brass, and the feet of iron make up the statue. Babylon is the first beast.
9 “Another kingdom will come after you, but it will not be as great as yours. Next a third kingdom, the bronze part, will rule over the earth. 40 Then there will be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron. In the same way that iron crushes and smashes things to pieces, the fourth kingdom will smash and crush all the other kingdoms. Dan 2
The next kingdom or beast is Persia. The beasts are identified as four great kingdoms that rule the earth. The center of the world at that time was the fertile crescent.
17 ‘The four great animals are four kingdoms that will come from the earth. 18 But the holy people who belong to the Most High God will receive the power to rule and will have the power to rule forever, from now on.’ Dan 7
Babylon fell to Cyrus after the fall of the Assyrian Empire. Nineveh was razed to the ground by Caxeres the Mede and Nabopolazzar the Chaldean in 612 BC. Cyrus made his decree for the Jews to return from Babylonian exile in 536 BC.
20 “You saw a male sheep with two horns, which are the kings of Media and Persia. 21 The male goat is the king of Greece, and the big horn between its eyes is the first king. 22 The four horns that grew in the place of the broken horn are four kingdoms. Those four kingdoms will come from the nation of the first king, but they will not be as strong as the first king. Dan 8
Alexander the Great was the first king, and his kingdom was divided up after his death. Ptolomy took over Egypt, and Seleucus took over Syria. Greece and Turkey made up the other two kingdoms. They all fell to Rome after the Punic Wars; the beast that was, that is not , and will rise again.
False Prophet
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The king of the north is Syria, and the king of the south is Egypt. Greece was separated into four kingdoms after the death of Alexander the Great in Babylon.
so who placed the abomination of desolation?
The first type was Antiochus IV Epiphanes and the primary fullfilment came to pass by way of Ananus ben Seth, (woe to the house of Ananus ben Seth! who by the arms of the branches of his family members, whom he set up within the court of the holy place, turned the House of Prayer into a house of slaughter and blood). But now, by the Testimony of Yeshua, the desolating abomination takes place in the heart: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the eyes of Elohim, (Luke 16:15) and the man is the temple of Elohim.
Interplanner
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Sorry Daqq, way off.
There is only one direct NT interp of the AofD and it is saying that it is a person who will be in the temple (mistaken as Messiah Mk 13:6, 21), in the 1st century at the end of that generation. When that is seen, or any rumor of it coming, the Christians of that generation were supposed to get the heck out. They left Judea and went to were many of the Christian leaders were, Little Asia, which is why there are 7 churches John writes to.
In Dan 8:13, the AofD as an expression actually began as the 'rebellion that desolates.' The rebellious leader would ruin the country says ch 8, while the exact timeline for that is in 9, overshadowed by the Gospel of what Messiah accomplishes before it. Only 9:27 picks up where ch 8 left off.
Both Josephus and Caiaphas were aware of this figure coming along. Caiaphas thought he could intervene; that he could keep the nation alive by appeasing Rome with the sacrifice of Christ, Jn 12, 18. But the rebellion problem was way too deep and was generated by Judaising. The only cure for Judaizing was faith in the Gospel and work in its mission; ask Paul!
Tragically the AofD leader did ruin the country at the end of that generation.