ST. JOHN 11:26

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clefty

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glorydaz said:
And He walked through walls and appeared and disappeared from view...was even unrecognizable to those who knew him best. In other words, his body was some form of spiritual body...even though He had not yet ascended into Heaven.

You'll never understand spiritual things until you have the Spirit dwelling in you.
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Right a glorified body...not naked spirit without the building of heaven

This glorified body is what the dead in Him asleep will awaken into...


NOT having returned from naked spirits to complete their reward with a last step process of reinsertion into a tangible body...since naked spirits the whole time prior this could NOT touch or eat...thus a final necessary upgrade...lol


And those not asleep will receive in a twinkling...both receive these SPIRITUAL bodies at the final trump
 
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way 2 go said:
wrong again deceiver

Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
Eph 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
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At Sinai Moses merely ascended the mountain to receive the gifts without descending first is the point...

Yet He descended FIRST and from on HIGH and then ascended that He might fulfill all things...

His gifts are given to ALL both high and low...gifts of grace and more for the equipping of the ministry and edifying the body of Christ to grow up in all things into Him...

So that we too...might ascend even if having descended...to our graves...asleep...but not perished
 
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clefty said:
Right a glorified body...not naked spirit without the building of heaven

This glorified body is what the dead in Him asleep will awaken into...


NOT having returned from naked spirits to complete their reward with a last step process of reinsertion into a tangible body...since naked spirits the whole time prior this could NOT touch or eat...thus a final necessary upgrade...lol


And those not asleep will receive in a twinkling...both receive these SPIRITUAL bodies at the final trump
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Stop pretending like you know something you don't. You adulterate what Paul tell us quite clearly.

We don't receive our glorified spiritual body until the resurrection, BUT Paul assures us we can be confident that while we are at home in the body...we are absent from the Lord. That is speaking of the body only.

But, we have that Earnest of the Spirit, which makes it clear we are already ALIVE in Christ Jesus.

2 Corinthians 5:1-6
For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: 3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. 4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life. 5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit. 6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:​

Paul does NOT say we are never without a body, but that we "shall not be found naked". Which means, as he went to some trouble to make clear, that we have an "earthly house" and a "house which is from heaven". Your claim that we have no being in between is a fabrication because you walk by sight, not by faith. 7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
 
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clefty said:
At Sinai Moses merely ascended the mountain to receive the gifts without descending first is the point...
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Moses ascended the mountain to receive the law which brought death Exo 32:28 vs the Holy Spirit being given Act 2:41 gave life
Yet He descended FIRST and from on HIGH and then ascended that He might fulfill all things...
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he descended from here then ascended is what the text says , but you didn't read the text did you.

His gifts are given to ALL both high and low...gifts of grace and more for the equipping of the ministry and edifying the body of Christ to grow up in all things into Him...

So that we too...might ascend even if having descended...to our graves...asleep...but not perished
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you are deceived and continue deceiving


you didn't read the text did you.
try again , but this time read the text

Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
Eph 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
 
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Stop pretending like you know something you don't. You adulterate what Paul tell us quite clearly.
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oh my...have a snickers...oh nevermind that IS you...LOL...an prolly don’t need any more candy...

We don't receive our glorified spiritual body until the resurrection, BUT Paul assures us we can be confident that while we are at home in the body...we are absent from the Lord. That is speaking of the body only.
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right...is why he rather be present with the Lord...and tells us when that is...

So here is the formula...BODY made of dust + Spirit breathed in by Yah = living Soul...alter any of it and it no longer is...



But, we have that Earnest of the Spirit, which makes it clear we are already ALIVE in Christ Jesus.
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yup...as long as we have breath...and upon the twinkling we will receive new bodies glorified ones...NEVER being found naked...floating about...but dead asleep and the resurrected FURTHER CLOTHED with new buildings of heaven...you and yours ADD a whole new state of NAKEDNESS between the point of death and to be with Him further clothed...

2 Corinthians 5:1-6
For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 For in this we groan, [red]earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:[/red] 3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. 4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life. 5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit. 6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:​
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Yup...IF SO be that we are clothed (in heaven) we are NOT found naked...

We don’t groan in the body being burdened by flesh and blood...”NOT FOR THAT WE WOULD BE UNCLOTHED” (well you and yours do LOL}...”but clothed upon” with the buildings of heaven...

Paul does NOT say we are never without a body, but that we "shall not be found naked". Which means, as he went to some trouble to make clear, that we have an "earthly house" and a "house which is from heaven". Your claim that we have no being in between is a fabrication because you walk by sight, not by faith. 7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
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Being naked is having NO BODY...no physical tangible matter...

Dan 12:13 But as for you, go your way to the end; then you will enter into rest and rise again for your allotted portion at the end of the age."

John 6:40 "For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him, may have eternal life; and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."

John 6:39,44,54

Can Spirits see the Father John 6:46

John 6:49 Fathers ate the manna and are dead...no mention of Abraham’s Bosom Motel...

Martha knows when her brother would resurrect...John 11:24 nothing there about Soul re entering the body

1 Corinthians 15:23
23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. No souls returning to retrieve bodies...

1 Thess 4:14-17 nothing there about disembodied souls...but from earthly tents to heavenly buildings...direct do not stop at Abraham’s Bosom motel or float about...

But resurrected like Him...

Luke 24:39
39 See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”

Paul confirms this further:

Romans 8:16 “For the Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of Yah 17 and if children then heirs-heirs of Yah and join heirs with Yahushua- if indeed we suffer with Him that we may also be glorified together.”

Glorified how? As He was...in His glorified body raised from the dead...

Romans 8:23 ...but we also who have the first fruits of the Spirit even we ourselves groan within ourselves eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body...

Not to be naked floating spirit/souls prior the last trump but twinkled into glorified bodies at the time of His appearing...

So to sum up...

Here’s a final parallel to Paul’s desire to be MORE like Him...

“Copy Me as I copy Christ...” 1 Cor 11:1...in everything even death (and this instruction was dispensed to the BOC me thinks...)

Paul desired to be absent the body AND present with Christ Him in His Glorified Body...That is what Paul wished to copy...JUST AS when He died and rose into a Glorified body...

Paul knew He had a body...resurrected...nothing about being a floating Soul a fluttering Spirit without blood or bones....Paul did NOT want to be NAKED with our Lord...that is greek pagan beliefs of ghosts and spirits...but Paul desired to be clothed with His heavenly building...just as He is...with blood and bones

That is yet another parrellel of the Lord Jesus Christ and Paul...

What a gem eh?
 
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way 2 go said:
Moses ascended the mountain to receive the law which brought death Exo 32:28 vs the Holy Spirit being given Act 2:41 gave life
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your hatred of what remains His is already long noted...that Law Moses received was “do this and live” the same law written in the hearts and minds the Spirit descended into that Pentecost for their having obeyed...Acts 5:32

he descended from here then ascended is what the text says , but you didn't read the text did you.
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actually that He ascended up on high was listed first...THEN what is it but that he also had descended (first*)...and He that descended is THE SAME as that ascended

*first isnt listed in some texts



Paul was reminding them that He had come down first...is why we received gifts of the Spirit grace, to be apostles, prophets evangelists pastors and teachers

Equiping the saints to do WORKS to GROW...to the measure and fullness of Christ...

You know...more like Him His WILL HIS WAY...not raptured from obligations and responsibilities to be LIKE HIM...is the gift


So again...Paul was clarifying that the He ascended was the One Who had first come down...


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you are deceived and continue deceiving


you didn't read the text did you.
try again , but this time read the text

Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
Eph 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
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Yup the ascended HAD descended...(no small thing the God of the universe coming down to the mountain at Sinai to that Holy Place...into a little wooden box...)

and that One descended is also the One ascended...

Or what Paul was emphasizing that the One they worshipped now ascended IS the One Who descended first...

Paul is quite poetic and took license here as Ps 68:18 has it that the Lord ascended received gifts among men...even among the rebellious...that He might dwell there...
 
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glorydaz said:
Too many "prolly"s in your juvenile world, clefty.

Such an active imagination.

And your fixation with "naked" leads me to believe you haven't yet reached adulthood. :baby:
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Take it up with Paul...he said we are not to be found naked or wish to be unclothed...

Your DESIRE is to be exactly THAT...a skinny dipping Soul fluttering about heaven prior judgement and before receiving the reward of a glorified body at the last trump and His appearing...but you’d rather to be absent the body an unclothed spirit without flesh and blood unresurrected...like pagan underworld ghosts and spirits...

That is an imagination...idolatrous even...
 
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clefty said:
Take it up with Paul...he said we are not to be found naked or wish to be unclothed...

Your DESIRE is to be exactly THAT...a skinny dipping Soul fluttering about heaven prior judgement and resurrection and before receiving the reward of a glorified body at the last trump and His appearing...but rather to be an unclothed spirit without flesh and blood...like pagan underworld ghosts and spirits...

That is an imagination...idolatrous even...
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No, he did NOT say that.

So your childish rant is again duly noted, as it your corruption of the Holy Scripture. :baby:
 
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glorydaz said:
No, he did NOT say that.

So your childish rant is again duly noted, as it your corruption of the Holy Scripture. :baby:
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2 Cor 5:2 ”2For in this tent we groan, longing to be clothed with our heavenly dwelling, 3because when we are clothed, we will not be found naked. 4So while we are in this tent, we groan under our burdens, because we do not wish to be unclothed but clothed...”

See? When we are clothed we will not be found naked...and we do NOT wish to be unclothed...

Well but you and yours do...skinny dipping Souls trying to sneak in before the twinkling time...spirits without flesh and blood...
 
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What do you think of this verse? How are we to understand it?

ST. JOHN 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

ST. JOHN 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
ST. JOHN 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
ST. JOHN 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.
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Those who believe that they have to look to Jesus as the Lord and do what he says, they will never die.
 
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clefty said:
2 Cor 5:2 ”2For in this tent we groan, longing to be clothed with our heavenly dwelling, 3because when we are clothed, we will not be found naked. 4So while we are in this tent, we groan under our burdens, because we do not wish to be unclothed but clothed...”

See? When we are clothed we will not be found naked...and we do NOT wish to be unclothed...
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See? This is what happens when you take something out of context.

We know if this present body of flesh be dissolved, we have an eternal spiritual body waiting for us in heaven. We look forward to that eternal body in heaven. Can we agree on that much?

2 Corinthians 5:1-2
For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:​

Still speaking of our house which is from heaven. 2 Cor. 5:3


This physical body is a burden...not that we're anxious to experience death (be unclothed), but that our mortality might be swallowed up of LIFE.

2 Cor. 5:4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.​

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Well but you and yours do...skinny dipping Souls trying to sneak in before the twinkling time...spirits without flesh and blood...
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Now, back in context....your childish "skinny dipping" comments aside.

Do you have no inkling of what it means to have the "earnest of the Spirit"? Believers have the Holy Spirit dwelling in us. Where the Spirit is, there is LIFE. Romans 8:10


2 COR. 5:5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.​

And this is the part you adulterate. Your twisted attempt to turn the confidence that Paul has into some distant space in time. When he makes it clear that being absent from the body AND PRESENT WITH THE LORD is what he would rather be.

2 Cor. 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight: ) 8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.​
 
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glorydaz said:
See? This is what happens when you take something out of context.
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where as you take it out of body...LOL...like a pagan his ghosts and spirits

We know if this present body of flesh be dissolved, we have an eternal spiritual body waiting for us in heaven. We look forward to that eternal body in heaven. Can we agree on that much?
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physical flesh and blood and bone heavenly building body yes...

and yes it is a reward we receive that day of His appearing...it is waiting for us to wake up into IT...and nn THAT day...at the last trump at His appearing at the twinkling...we put it on

2 Corinthians 5:1-2
For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:​

Still speaking of our house which is from heaven. 2 Cor. 5:3
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thus not found naked but clothed


This physical body is a burden...not that we're anxious to experience death (be unclothed), but that our mortality might be swallowed up of LIFE.

2 Cor. 5:4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.​

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yes further clothed upon not found unclothed

Now, back in context....your childish "skinny dipping" comments aside.
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that is you floating about a Soul without body or flesh and blood or bones...

Do you have no inkling of what it means to have the "earnest of the Spirit"? Believers have the Holy Spirit dwelling in us. Where the Spirit is, there is LIFE. Romans 8:10
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yes life of the Spirit who raised Yahushua from the dead dwelling inside us...He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal physical body...not raise you a naked spirit...but through His Spirit who dwells in you...raised a body

So when does that happen...immediately upon death? Or later...you know THAT DAY...that resurrection day...His appearing...at the last trump...the twinkling...

Oh and even He wasnt raised a Spirit but in a tangible flesh and blood glorified BODY...a first fruit to what we will be ourselves...


2 COR. 5:5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.​
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yes we are given now and in this life a guarantee...a 10% down payment...please note it is NOT that we become only 10% alive upon death...skinny dipping into heaven...naked unclothed...

And this is the part you adulterate. Your twisted attempt to turn the confidence that Paul has into some distant space in time. When he makes it clear that being absent from the body AND PRESENT WITH THE LORD is what he would rather be.

2 Cor. 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight: ) 8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.​
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Yup rather absent from the body....and......present with the Lord...not at 10% power as a spirit unable to touch or eat...but 100% flesh and blood with glorified body...able to eat of the tree of life and live forever...

Maybe you should read up on what earnest money is...or promise...or pledge...pledge is good too...even in OT...same greek word in Gen 38...Joel spoke of it pouring out...

Kinda like a Seal...you know a sign of His people...Heb 4:9

But again we are given it we do not become it...we are at 100% with the Lord when we finally get there...overcome...persevere...run the race...fight the good fight...wait upon the Lord...
 
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More nonsense from clefty, and no sense talking to a brick wall.

:hammer:
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Yes one type of people view the message of the cross as foolishness...would rather it mean something else...like when you die you go direct to heaven without flesh and bones...as if being absent the body is to be immediately present somewhere else...why the big deal about being resurrected bodily with flesh and bones? Why not just as pagans believe an after life with their spirits ghosts and communicable ancestors?...

If He were happy with just the spirit world why all the trouble of making it physical?...even becoming flesh Himself...?

Guess you get extra frequent flyer miles fluttering up there unclothed without a physical body to just hang out unable to touch or eat anything/anyone...merely to have to float back and retrieve one and be reinstalled...seems inefficient...less than perfect...
 
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glorydaz said:
Indeed, and Clefty is a natural man of the flesh. He cannot understand spiritual things.

Thus his fixation on the flesh and it's nakedness.
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he is convinced he is right like a jehovah witness but he is not interested in the truth ,
which is why he doesn't respond directly to what we write .

2Ti 3:13 while evil people and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.
 
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glorydaz said:
Mocking the truth is even worse than not seeing it, brother.
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When you ladies get your hair dried we can talk about the OP of the thread...Martha’s answer was confirmation she herself did not believe her brother was at Abraham’s Bosom motel...but that she knew he would rise again at the resurrection at the last day...with a body and glorified and NOT as a skinny dipping spirit without clothes of flesh or blood or bones

BTW I don’t mock truth just your version of it...your idolatry must be shouted louder and with many others as your god may be asleep or on a trip...

Gossiping is also so typical of your class...Pharisees have to
 
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