you're right BR
ECT So what is the revelation of the mystery according to MAD.
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you're right BR
How about according to Paul? He used the term "revelation of the mystery". He even states it. Post it, and we will talk about it. Then we can talk about how Paul broke Genesis 12, or you could say kept the second part and he blasphemed the Holy Spirit.
So, no attempt to post what Paul said so we can discuss what it really means.
it's just crack - crackpots - it's not cracked
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If a person who is convinced of their sin by the Holy Spirit and of the truths about who Christ is prays for salvation and is subsequently Baptized are they saved?
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This is it. It is not about us striving to be like him. His life working in us causes us to be like Him. This is what Jesus meant when He spoke about our "abiding in the Vine." It only is through union with Him that we are able to bear fruit. Jesus used this organic metaphor to describe being connected to Him through the Holy Spirit. Paul was talking about the same thing in Romans 8 using theological and legal terms.
Yes, if the believe the gospel that saves -
1 Corinthians 15:1-2 KJV and 3, 4 and subsequently
Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Ephesians 1:13 KJV
SaulToPaul 2
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I've already been to hell when Christ went.
Now I am here. Eph 2:6 (KJV)
You can be too. Trust the Lord.
SaulToPaul 2
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You have become obsessed with obliterating us evil MAD wackos.
It has almost reached a Tetelistinian capacity.
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Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
The Lord having His LORD with and upon Him does not make the Lord Himself into the LORD.
Adonai and Adoni (Psalm 110:1)
The Bible’s supreme proof text for telling the difference between the One God and the Messiah who is not God
This verse was referred to the Messiah by the Pharisees and by Jesus. It tells us that the relationship between God and Jesus is that of Deity and non-Deity. The Messiah is called adoni (my lord) and in every one of its 195 occurrences adoni (my lord) means a superior who is not God. Adonai on the other hand refers exclusively to the One God in all of its 449 occurrences. Adonai is the title of Deity and adoni never designates Deity.
If the Messiah were called Adonai this would introduce “two Gods” into the Bible and would be polytheism. Psalm 110:1 should guard us all against supposing that there are two who are God. In fact the Messiah is the supreme human being and agent of the One God. Psalm 110:1 is the Bible’s master text for defining the Son of God in relation to the One God, his Father.
Why is it that a number of commentaries misstate the facts about Psalm 110:1? They assert that the word for the Messiah in Psalm 110:1 is adonai. It is not. These commentaries seem to obscure a classic text defining God in relation to His Son. The Hebrew text assigns to the Messiah the title adoni which invariably distinguishes the one addressed from the Deity. The Messiah is the supreme human lord. He is not the Lord God (cp. I Tim. 2:5; I Cor. 8:4-6; Mark 12:28ff).
Why is the Messiah called adoni (my lord) and never adonai (my Lord God)?
“Adonai and Adoni are variations of Masoretic pointing to distinguish divine reference from human.”
Adonai is referred to God but Adoni to human superiors.
Adoni — ref. to men: my lord, my master [see Ps. 110:1]
Adonai — ref. to God…Lord (Brown, Driver, Briggs, Hebrew and English Lexicon of the Old Testament, under adon [= lord]).
“The form ADONI (‘my lord’), a royal title (I Sam. 29:8), is to be carefully distinguished from the divine title ADONAI (‘my Lord’) used of Yahweh.” “ADONAI — the special plural form [the divine title] distinguishes it from adonai [with short vowel] = my lords” (International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, “Lord,” p. 157).
“Lord in the OT is used to translate ADONAI when applied to the Divine Being. The [Hebrew] word…has a suffix [with special pointing] presumably for the sake of distinction…between divine and human appellative” (Hastings Dictionary of the Bible, “Lord,” Vol. 3, p. 137).
“Hebrew Adonai exclusively denotes the God of Israel. It is attested about 450 times in the OT…Adoni [is] addressed to human beings (Gen. 44:7, Num. 32:25, II Kings 2:19 [etc.]). We have to assume that the word adonai received its special form to distinguish it from the secular use of adon [i.e., adoni]. The reason why [God is addressed] as adonai, [with long vowel] instead of the normal adon, adoni or adonai [with short vowel] may have been to distinguish Yahweh from other gods and from human lords” (Dictionary of Deities and Demons in the Bible, p. 531).
“The lengthening of the ā on Adonai [the Lord God] may be traced to the concern of the Masoretes to mark the word as sacred by a small external sign” (Theological Dictionary of the OT, “Adon,” p. 63 and Theological Dictionary of the NT, III, 1060ff. n.109).
“The form ‘to my lord,’ l’adoni, is never used in the OT as a divine reference…the generally accepted fact that the masoretic pointing distinguishes divine references (adonai) from human references (adoni)” (Wigram, The Englishman’s Hebrew and Chaldee Concordance of the OT, p. 22) (Herbert Bateman, “Psalm 110:1 and the NT,” Bibliothecra Sacra, Oct.-Dec., 1992, p. 438).
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1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV
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Yep!
How is that, of itself, ever a mystery?
heir
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1 Corinthians 2:6-8 KJV
The mystery, is that you're saved too !!!
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1 Corinthians 1:18 KJV
MADists think Paul was the only one that a mystery kept secret since the foundation of the world was revealed to.
MADists couldn't be more wrong.
(Matt 13:35 KJV) That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
As we see above, Christ Jesus uttered things that were kept secret since the foundation of the world.
Yet, not one MADist can even tell us one thing that Christ Jesus said that was a mystery kept secret since the foundation of the world.
Moreover, MADists claim that the men Christ Jesus told these mysteries to, are in some different program than the Apostle Paul was.
MAD is a mess.
MADists couldn't be more wrong.
(Matt 13:35 KJV) That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
As we see above, Christ Jesus uttered things that were kept secret since the foundation of the world.
Yet, not one MADist can even tell us one thing that Christ Jesus said that was a mystery kept secret since the foundation of the world.
Moreover, MADists claim that the men Christ Jesus told these mysteries to, are in some different program than the Apostle Paul was.
MAD is a mess.
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Now how does that differ from the gospel Peter received and preached again?
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It was not a mystery that Christ would die for mans sin before Paul came along.
John knew about it, (and the temple teachings taught about it, Abraham was taught it.)
Joh 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
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Funny, I never heard you speak it or anything else for that matter except to ridicule me for trying' to set you straight. . .
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