Scripture. What is considered Scripture?

[john w]

Aren’t you listening?

The originals did have errors!

They were written by imperfect people, just as the KJV was translated by imperfect people.

1.There you go, folks!! The LORD God lied, is a liar, according to this satanist, as all the verses re. his scriptures being true, sound, right, pure.......are lies.

2. Prove that "The originals did have errors."


How would you do that, devil child? You have them, in order to make that assessment? How would you know you even had "the originals?"


I've expose this punk for the lying, deceitful, bible correcting/rejecting wolf, con artist, that he is.

 

[2003cobra]

The scriptures have no errors-you are in error, too stupid/satanic to figure it out.

Name calling is scriptural. Of course, you would not know that, since you do not have the scriptures.


Poor admitted devil child.

And you still can’t say whether Joseph is a descendant of Nathan or of Nathan’s brother Solomon.

I suppose the easiest way to claim there are no errors is to never look at the errors. But it is dishonesty unworthy of a Christian.

 

[genuineoriginal]

A man is only as good as his word

I am sorry for your loss.

Listen, bible rejector

I don't reject the Bible.
Where did you ever get the notion that it was okay to lie and falsely accuse me about something like that?

 

[2003cobra]

The English language does not give "worship" the same meaning as שָׁחָה shachah (see Genesis 24:26, etc.), which means to bow down, prostrate oneself.

Lon is not saying he kneels before the Bible as he would kneel before God.

I do hope you are correct.

I still find it so strange that he said that he worships the Bible.

 

[john w]

Aren’t you listening?

The originals did have errors!

They were written by imperfect people, just as the KJV was translated by imperfect people.

So, Moses, the scribes,Tertius...................because they were "imperfect" men, could not be used by the LORD God, to write/preserve His scriptures. Even though he used Balaam's a__, Peter, who denied the Lord 3 times, Paul, a murderer, the harlot Rahab ...................................................................................................................................................................................................................................



You: The second set of 10 commandments, since it was written down by Moses, after the first set were destroyed, are in error.

You're not only a devil child, but a moronic devil child.

I'm done with this satanist-promise.

 

[patrick jane]

Not so. Daqq just “spiritualizes” away errors, denying history, denying the text.

And you had so little confidence in his answer that you would not even post it.

I don't know how to take a post from one thread to another, it's in another thread. I'll find it for you.

 

[2003cobra]

"
You missed it, slick as satan one. I never claimed that I had an infallible source authority "that says the KJV is the one true Bible."

By that "argument," "Where is your infallible source of authority that says 'the originals'is the one true Bible?"

You can't be this stupid. Just slick....I never correct the KJV-I believe every word.

Again:Name your infallible source authority, for correcting any "the bible."


You won't-you don't have it.

So, you recognize that you have no infallible source that declares the KJV as the one true Bible.

That is great progress.

It is good that you recognize your view on the KJV is just fallible opinion.

What do you consider the true KJV, the 1611 with 80 books or the one from the 1800s with many books removed?

If you don’t have an answer, just say so.

 

[john w]

I am sorry for your loss.


I don't reject the Bible.
Where did you ever get the notion that it was okay to lie and falsely accuse me about something like that?

Yes, you do. You are a bible corrector/rejector.

 

[patrick jane]

Not so. Daqq just “spiritualizes” away errors, denying history, denying the text.

And you had so little confidence in his answer that you would not even post it.

So not only do we see four generations in Adam until the "new man" Enosh, as shown here:

Originally Posted by daqq
The following four generations concern four stages of a man in his first (mortal) age:

Proverbs 30:11-14 KJV
11 There is a generation [1] that curseth their father, and doth not bless their mother.
12 There is a generation [2] that are pure in their own eyes, and yet is not washed from their filthiness.
13 There is a generation, [3] O how lofty are their eyes! and their eyelids are lifted up.
14 There is a generation, [4] whose teeth are as swords, and their jaw teeth as knives, [Dan 7:7 - the fourth-generation "beast" - "great teeth of iron"] to devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men.

Moreover the Master confirms this understanding in multiple places:

Matthew 12:39-45 KJV
39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation [1]seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, [2] and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, [3]and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation [4].

This speaks from the beginning: Qain and his line, just as it was laid out for you in one of the posts requoted above herein, (titled "The Book of the Dead"). Qain is the prototype for the goat to-for Azazel with all the sins upon his mortally wounded head, sent forth into the dry-arid places of the desert-wilderness, that is, "the land of Nod" or wandering. But Moses warns, "be sure your sin will find you out", (Num 32:23, and that is why the goat sent away is not destroyed in the text, even though it did become a tradition to send it over a rocky-jagged precipice). So Qain comes back to his "house", (YOU, and there are no exceptions to the rule given by the Master), and he finds the house empty, swept, and garnished, (with new idols), and he goes and gets seven other spirits more wicked than himself, (the line of Qain as shown above herein). And the seventh, Tobal-Qain, brings forth Qain with pomp and fanfare: thus Qain is the eighth and of the seven, for he was the first which was sent away into the desert to begin with.

With this supernal understanding held first and foremost it is not difficult to see that there was plenty of time for many other people to have been born of the physical seed line of Adam whether or not "Adam" is intended as a single man or a federal head representing all of humanity.

Four Generations:

1) Adam
2) Qain
3) Abel
4) Seth

New Man ~ Enosh-Man

And Enosh is he that began to herald-preach-call out in the name of Yah the Elohim, (Gen 4:26). Thus, with the above supernal truths being held first and foremost, there is plenty of time in the first four generations for many other people to have been born of the physical seed line, but the point not to be missed should be this: the holy seed line of Adam to Noah, (and all the way through the entire record of the scripture), is not physical, but SPIRIT, because it is by faith and the hearing of the preaching of the truth beginning with Enosh. For the same reason Peter calls Noah "the eighth Preacher of Righteousness", (2Pet 2:5), for Noah is the eighth from Enosh, the first Preacher of Righteousness according to the scripture, (Gen 4:26).

Preachers of Righteousness:

1) Enosh - Gen 4:26
2) Qainan
3) Mahalaleel
4) Yared
5) Enoch the Prophet
6) Methuselah
7) Lamech
8) Noah - 2 Pet 2:5



But one may also see the four generations running through the entire, (Gen 5), Book of Life:

1) Adam
2) Qain
3) Abel
4) Seth
5) Enosh - the "new man", (Gen 5:6)

1) Enosh
2) Qainan
3) Mahalaleel
4) Yared - Enoch 1 - unregenerated, (Book of the Dead - Gen 4:17)
5) Enoch 2 - the "new man", (Book of Life - Gen 5:19-24)

1) Enoch 2
2) Methuselah
3) Lamech 1 - unregenerated, (Book of the Dead - Gen 4:18-24)
4) Lamech 2 - regenerated, (Book of Life - Gen 5:25-31)
5) Noah - the "new man", (Book of Life - Gen 5:28-32)

Moreover the same thing happens in the genealogy of king David as it is written that his first child by Bath-Sheba, ("daughter of seven", like the seven daughters of Yithro Raguel, "His Excellence Raguel", which moreover is also supernal and of a prophetic nature: for Moses married into that Elohim-priesthood by way of one of seven little birdies, lol, Tzipporah, Exo 2:16-21). However the child of David by Bathsheba died, even in the seventh day, that is to be noted, before the eighth day, because of the evil which David had done, (2Sam 1:25). Yet we read in that passage that another son was given, and that given is "natan", and is called Yedidiah, ("Beloved of Yah"), and is Solomon. Solomon is written therein because he is the "new man", (the next in line for genealogical reckoning). When one begins to dig deeper into the meanings of the names it becomes very clear that this entire record has heavy spiritual and supernal undertones:

2 Samuel 5:14
14 And these be the names of those that were born unto him in Jerusalem; Shammua, and Shobab, and Nathan, and Solomon:

1 Chronicles 3:5
5 And these were born unto him in Jerusalem; Shimea, and Shobab, and Nathan, and Solomon, four, of Bathshua the daughter of Ammiel:

1 Chronicles 14:4
4 Now these are the names of his children which he had in Jerusalem; Shammua, and Shobab, Nathan and Solomon:

1) David
2) Shimea - "hear the report", (2Sam 12:1-7)
3) Shobab - "rebellion", (2Sam 12:7-14)
4) Shammua - "renowned-devastation", (the child that died, 2Sam 12:14-19)
5) Nathan, even Solomon - the "new man", (also Yedidiah, "Beloved of Yah", 2Sam 12:24-25)

The son which had died in the seventh day is still counted in the four generations of the first age of the man. Nathan, ("given"), is therefore Solomon, just as it is written in Luke 3:31, and that is why the Luke genealogy includes "Nathan" instead of Solomon and yet still passes through Zerubbabel and Salathiel, (Shealtiel).

 

[2003cobra]

I don't know how to take a post from one thread to another, it's in another thread. I'll find it for you.

If you think you have an answer, put it in your own words.

If you can’t explain it yourself, then you don’t understand it and can’t endorse it.

 

[2003cobra]

So not only do we see four generations in Adam until the "new man" Enosh, as shown here:

Originally Posted by daqq
The following four generations concern four stages of a man in his first (mortal) age:

Proverbs 30:11-14 KJV
11 There is a generation [1] that curseth their father, and doth not bless their mother.
12 There is a generation [2] that are pure in their own eyes, and yet is not washed from their filthiness.
13 There is a generation, [3] O how lofty are their eyes! and their eyelids are lifted up.
14 There is a generation, [4] whose teeth are as swords, and their jaw teeth as knives, [Dan 7:7 - the fourth-generation "beast" - "great teeth of iron"] to devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men.

Moreover the Master confirms this understanding in multiple places:

Matthew 12:39-45 KJV
39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation [1]seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, [2] and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, [3]and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation [4].

This speaks from the beginning: Qain and his line, just as it was laid out for you in one of the posts requoted above herein, (titled "The Book of the Dead"). Qain is the prototype for the goat to-for Azazel with all the sins upon his mortally wounded head, sent forth into the dry-arid places of the desert-wilderness, that is, "the land of Nod" or wandering. But Moses warns, "be sure your sin will find you out", (Num 32:23, and that is why the goat sent away is not destroyed in the text, even though it did become a tradition to send it over a rocky-jagged precipice). So Qain comes back to his "house", (YOU, and there are no exceptions to the rule given by the Master), and he finds the house empty, swept, and garnished, (with new idols), and he goes and gets seven other spirits more wicked than himself, (the line of Qain as shown above herein). And the seventh, Tobal-Qain, brings forth Qain with pomp and fanfare: thus Qain is the eighth and of the seven, for he was the first which was sent away into the desert to begin with.

With this supernal understanding held first and foremost it is not difficult to see that there was plenty of time for many other people to have been born of the physical seed line of Adam whether or not "Adam" is intended as a single man or a federal head representing all of humanity.

Four Generations:

1) Adam
2) Qain
3) Abel
4) Seth

New Man ~ Enosh-Man

And Enosh is he that began to herald-preach-call out in the name of Yah the Elohim, (Gen 4:26). Thus, with the above supernal truths being held first and foremost, there is plenty of time in the first four generations for many other people to have been born of the physical seed line, but the point not to be missed should be this: the holy seed line of Adam to Noah, (and all the way through the entire record of the scripture), is not physical, but SPIRIT, because it is by faith and the hearing of the preaching of the truth beginning with Enosh. For the same reason Peter calls Noah "the eighth Preacher of Righteousness", (2Pet 2:5), for Noah is the eighth from Enosh, the first Preacher of Righteousness according to the scripture, (Gen 4:26).

Preachers of Righteousness:

1) Enosh - Gen 4:26
2) Qainan
3) Mahalaleel
4) Yared
5) Enoch the Prophet
6) Methuselah
7) Lamech
8) Noah - 2 Pet 2:5



But one may also see the four generations running through the entire, (Gen 5), Book of Life:

1) Adam
2) Qain
3) Abel
4) Seth
5) Enosh - the "new man", (Gen 5:6)

1) Enosh
2) Qainan
3) Mahalaleel
4) Yared - Enoch 1 - unregenerated, (Book of the Dead - Gen 4:17)
5) Enoch 2 - the "new man", (Book of Life - Gen 5:19-24)

1) Enoch 2
2) Methuselah
3) Lamech 1 - unregenerated, (Book of the Dead - Gen 4:18-24)
4) Lamech 2 - regenerated, (Book of Life - Gen 5:25-31)
5) Noah - the "new man", (Book of Life - Gen 5:28-32)

Moreover the same thing happens in the genealogy of king David as it is written that his first child by Bath-Sheba, ("daughter of seven", like the seven daughters of Yithro Raguel, "His Excellence Raguel", which moreover is also supernal and of a prophetic nature: for Moses married into that Elohim-priesthood by way of one of seven little birdies, lol, Tzipporah, Exo 2:16-21). However the child of David by Bathsheba died, even in the seventh day, that is to be noted, before the eighth day, because of the evil which David had done, (2Sam 1:25). Yet we read in that passage that another son was given, and that given is "natan", and is called Yedidiah, ("Beloved of Yah"), and is Solomon. Solomon is written therein because he is the "new man", (the next in line for genealogical reckoning). When one begins to dig deeper into the meanings of the names it becomes very clear that this entire record has heavy spiritual and supernal undertones:

2 Samuel 5:14
14 And these be the names of those that were born unto him in Jerusalem; Shammua, and Shobab, and Nathan, and Solomon:

1 Chronicles 3:5
5 And these were born unto him in Jerusalem; Shimea, and Shobab, and Nathan, and Solomon, four, of Bathshua the daughter of Ammiel:

1 Chronicles 14:4
4 Now these are the names of his children which he had in Jerusalem; Shammua, and Shobab, Nathan and Solomon:

1) David
2) Shimea - "hear the report", (2Sam 12:1-7)
3) Shobab - "rebellion", (2Sam 12:7-14)
4) Shammua - "renowned-devastation", (the child that died, 2Sam 12:14-19)
5) Nathan, even Solomon - the "new man", (also Yedidiah, "Beloved of Yah", 2Sam 12:24-25)

The son which had died in the seventh day is still counted in the four generations of the first age of the man. Nathan, ("given"), is therefore Solomon, just as it is written in Luke 3:31, and that is why the Luke genealogy includes "Nathan" instead of Solomon and yet still passes through Zerubbabel and Salathiel, (Shealtiel).

Patrick Jane, so you don’t believe the gospels are history, just facts can just be spiritualized into oblivion too?

You might as well call all the gospels fiction.

 

[Lon]

"
I never correct the KJV-I believe every word.

vs.

Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

We EITHER believe and follow or question His every word.

Hebrews 11:6,13-16

Contrasts.

 

[patrick jane]

Patrick Jane, so you don’t believe the gospels are history either facts can just be spiritualized into oblivion too?

You might as well call all the gospels fiction.

You answered too quick to have read that post. As I already knew, you don't want answers, you want to mock God. I realize you can't comprehend the post but you should at least read it it, rube.

 

[john w]

So, you recognize that you have no infallible source that declares the KJV as the one true Bible.

That is great progress.

It is good that you recognize your view on the KJV is just fallible opinion.

What do you consider the true KJV, the 1611 with 80 books or the one from the 1800s with many books removed?

If you don’t have an answer, just say so.

Moron-too stupid to get it-You missed GO's argument, to which I was responding.....By that "argument," "Where is one's infallible source of authority that says 'the originals'is the one true Bible?"

That's my point, you stupid idiot-by faith, based upon the evidence, taking God at His word.

Sober up, demon boy.

 

[john w]

So, you recognize that you have no infallible source that declares the KJV as the one true Bible.

That is great progress.

It is good that you recognize your view on the KJV is just fallible opinion.

What do you consider the true KJV, the 1611 with 80 books or the one from the 1800s with many books removed?

If you don’t have an answer, just say so.

Aren’t you listening?

The originals did have errors!

=no scripture from God was/is true, sure, pure, sound, perfect, right.................

Yes, we heard you, admitted satanist-on record.


=on record satanic assertions from a devil child.



QED.

 

[genuineoriginal]

No interpretation, no "the Message", is worthwhile, or credible, if truth can still be considered truth despite ERRORS. If biblical certainty/assurance are lost, then biblical authority, and its resulting "interpretation"/"the MESSAGE" is impossible.

Matthew 19:26 26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.​

You may find it impossible for God to deliver His message unless He creates a perfect translation of it.
God has proven that it is possible for Him to deliver His message across many centuries despite the errors that creep into each copy and translation of the written words.

If the biblical text is unreliable

It is not.

, then the Holy Bible's own claims about representing the full and objective truth about God cannot be substantiated or believed.

The Holy Bible does not claim to represent the full and objective truth about God.

1 Corinthians 13:12 12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.​

The Holy Bible's authority to rule over us

The Holy Bible has no authority to rule over us.
A book does not rule over me, but the author of the book does rule over me.

if any supposed "the Holy Bible" claiming to be the word of God has errors, then it is not the word of God.

The Holy Bible is not the word of God, but it does contain the words of God.

You [are] accusing Him of being a liar, not a God of truth, too impotent to preserve His sure, true, pure, sound, right scriptures, breaking His promise.

God never promised to preserve the scriptures, so He is not breaking His promise by not preserving "sure, true, sound, right scriptures".

Do you believe everyone is saved, do you believe God is "too impotent" to save everyone, or do you believe that there are other factors involved besides God's ability to save everyone?
If you are honest about it, you would accept that not everyone is saved despite God having the ability to save everyone.
In the same way, God has not provided any version of the Holy Bible without any errors despite Him having the ability to do so.

Don't you have faith that God has the power to preserve His true message to us despite the errors that have crept into the Bible with every copy and translation?

 

[genuineoriginal]

Son, if you don't have an infallible source authority, you cannot correct any bible-you don't have an infallible reference point

I have an infallible reference source.
The source is the author, not the book He wrote.

You can worship the creation instead of the creator if you want, but I will worship the creator and not the creation.

 

[genuineoriginal]

Prove that "the originals" were without error.

Why, have you no faith?

Prove that "The originals did have errors."

Why, have you no faith?

 

[steko]

And you still can’t say whether Joseph is a descendant of Nathan or of Nathan’s brother Solomon.

I can. Joseph, the legal stepfather of the Lord Jesus, was the descendant of David's son Solomon.

 

[genuineoriginal]

We EITHER believe and follow or question His every word.

Not true.
Many of us are able to believe and follow what God has said while questioning some of the interpretations of what God said that are found in the different versions of the Bible.
After all, it is written: "let God be true, but every man a liar".