Scientists Discover a Secret Ocean Floor

[JudgeRightly]

Why didn't you know what I was talking about when I said "heat problem."

You're going to have to explain what it is that you think is the heat problem, because as far as I can see, there is NO heat problem with the HPT.

Make the argument, don't just make blanket assertions without evidence.

I said "what heat problem" because there is no heat problem.

Did you not bother to read what I said in post #14?

 

[Yorzhik]

There is a heat issue I haven't heard the answer to by HPT. The continents came to a stop, with all the energy not used to lift mountains turning into heat. It might not be a problem, but I don't think those numbers have been accurately enough calculated yet. It would be helpful to have those numbers.

 

[Stripe]

Why didn't you know what I was talking about when I said "heat problem."

Because you described a feature of the hydroplate theory that is in essence a planetary air conditioner set to "freezing."

The "heat problem" is typically linked to plate movement and radioactivity.

 

[Stripe]

There is a heat issue I haven't heard the answer to by HPT. The continents came to a stop, with all the energy not used to lift mountains turning into heat. It might not be a problem, but I don't think those numbers have been accurately enough calculated yet. It would be helpful to have those numbers.

The energy didn't go to heat. It went to potential.

 

[Idolater]

Because you described a feature of the hydroplate theory that is in essence a planetary air conditioner set to "freezing."

The "heat problem" is typically linked to plate movement and radioactivity.

But also to the forming of sedimentary rock.

 

[Stripe]

But also to the forming of sedimentary rock.

Yeah, you mean like in that video?

I think that is based on the assumption that all the carbonate needed for the cement was derived from living organisms. That's not what the HPT proposes.

Before the flood, supercritical water in the subterranean chamber steadily dissolved certain minerals in the chamber’s floor and ceiling, making them increasingly porous and spongelike. This allowed even deeper dissolving. Rising temperatures in the chamber caused ... [carbonates] to precipitate onto the chamber floor. During the flood, the escaping subterranean water swept the precipitated [carbonates] up to the Earth’s surface.

— https://hpt.rsr.org/onlinebook/Limestone2.html

 

[Yorzhik]

The energy didn't go to heat. It went to potential.

If that were true, the crust that fell into the place where the great deep had just evacuated its water would still be at the level it was before it fell. But that would only be true of the mountains that rose up, not the vast majority crust that took up residence in the great deep. All of that crust, if it moved, had to change that movement into heat when it stopped.

It doesn't mean that heat was a problem. But it would be nice if someone capable of calculating it could do so.

 

[Stripe]

It doesn't mean that heat was a problem. But it would be nice if someone capable of calculating it could do so.

The only movement worth considering is the lateral sliding of the hydroplates.

When they stopped, the energy went to potential (and is being slowly released to today).

The real heat problem is at the core.

And, yeah, it genuinely is a problem. But for life, not for the HPT.

 

[Idolater]

Yeah, you mean like in that video?

I think that is based on the assumption that all the carbonate needed for the cement was derived from living organisms. That's not what the HPT proposes.

Before the flood, supercritical water in the subterranean chamber steadily dissolved certain minerals in the chamber’s floor and ceiling, making them increasingly porous and spongelike. This allowed even deeper dissolving. Rising temperatures in the chamber caused ... [carbonates] to precipitate onto the chamber floor. During the flood, the escaping subterranean water swept the precipitated [carbonates] up to the Earth’s surface.

— https://hpt.rsr.org/onlinebook/Limestone2.html

It doesn't seem to depend on where the carbon came from. It seems to depend only on the quantity of sedimentary rock formed. The estimate they give for this sedimentary rock formation and hardening is one trillion megatons TNT. So how does that heat emission not cause true, non-survivable climate change (as opposed to all the fake survivable climate change hysterics common today)?

That's why I suggested that the ocean basins were so hot that they instantly vaporized a lot of water up into the upper atmosphere, giving up heat to space, and condensing and falling back down as regular rain, perpetuating the Flood, until the heat from forming all that new limestone was gone.

But like I said it would take a miracle to keep the Flood going on the continents for 150 days, it would require the Flood wasn't entirely natural.

 

[Stripe]

It doesn't seem to depend on where the carbon came from. It seems to depend only on the quantity of sedimentary rock formed.

She describes the supposed problem 15 minutes in. The quantity matters because of the amount of calcite (carbonates) that need to form, a slightly exothermic process. Where those carbonates are sourced is different for her model than for Walt Brown's, but she doesn't make the adjustment.

The estimate they give for this sedimentary rock formation and hardening is one trillion megatons TNT.

That's also assuming it all happened at the surface.

So how does that heat emission not cause true, non-survivable climate change (as opposed to all the fake survivable climate change hysterics common today)?

Because it does not appreciate the assumptions of HPT. The carbonates were precipitated in a sealed, subterranean chamber, not from organisms, as the evolutionary model assumes. The heat went into the water sealed inside the planet and converted to kinetic when it escaped.

That's why I suggested that the ocean basins were so hot that they instantly vaporized a lot of water up into the upper atmosphere, giving up heat to space, and condensing and falling back down as regular rain, perpetuating the Flood, until the heat from forming all that new limestone was gone.

The energy went to kinetic, not heat.

If you boil a pot of water and pour it on your hand, it'll hurt.

If you boil the water in a sealed container with a tiny nozzle and open the nozzle so that it sprays out (given the pressure), it will not burn you (as long as you're not right at the opening).

The energy went to kinetic.

But like I said it would take a miracle to keep the Flood going on the continents for 150 days, it would require the Flood wasn't entirely natural.

Why?

 

[Right Divider]

But like I said it would take a miracle to keep the Flood going on the continents for 150 days, it would require the Flood wasn't entirely natural.

You really should read Dr. Brown's book. He explains clearly why that is not true.

 

[JudgeRightly]

She describes the supposed problem 15 minutes in. The quantity matters because of the amount of calcite (carbonates) that need to form, a slightly exothermic process. Where those carbonates are sourced is different for her model than for Walt Brown's, but she doesn't make the adjustment.

Weren't most of the reactions in the subterranean chamber regarding this process of releasing carbonates endothermic? Iow, the reactions resulted in less heat, not more?

 

[JudgeRightly]

You really should read Dr. Brown's book. He explains clearly why that is not true.

This is one book that I can say IS authoritative.

 

[Yorzhik]

The only movement worth considering is the lateral sliding of the hydroplates.

When they stopped, the energy went to potential (and is being slowly released to today).

The real heat problem is at the core.

And, yeah, it genuinely is a problem. But for life, not for the HPT.

The reason the plates were moving at all was because they were going downhill.

Even if they are still moving today, the difference in their speed specifically from fast moving to slow moving in the flood, has to be accounted for by heat.

 

[Stripe]

Weren't most of the reactions in the subterranean chamber regarding this process of releasing carbonates endothermic? Iow, the reactions resulted in less heat, not more?

Right you are.

 

[Stripe]

Wait. No. Are you?

Now I'm confused. Lol

 

[Stripe]

The reason the plates were moving at all was because they were going downhill.

Sure. But the sideways movement is where all the energy budget goes.

Even if they are still moving today, the difference in their speed specifically from fast moving to slow moving in the flood, has to be accounted for by heat.

At the end of the fast phase, they piled upward. The energy is stored as potential in the continents.

The energy did not go to heat.

 

[JudgeRightly]

The reason the plates were moving at all was because they were going downhill.

And sliding on an almost perfect lubricant.

Even if they are still moving today, the difference in their speed specifically from fast moving to slow moving in the flood, has to be accounted for by heat.

Or the energy is stored, as Stripe said, as potential energy in the mountains.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Wait. No. Are you?

Now I'm confused. Lol

I might just be thinking of the "cold repacking" (z-pinch).

 

[JudgeRightly]

Either way, there wouldn't be as much heat as has been suggested.

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