RSR: The Cosmological Principle
This is the show from Friday January 4th, 2013
SUMMARY:
* Scientists, By Faith, Reject that the Universe has a Center: Real Science Radio's Bob Enyart and Fred Williams document the admission by leading Big Bang scientists that there is no known scientific evidence that confirms the widely accepted belief by cosmologists like Stephen Hawking and physicists like Lawrence Krauss that the universe has no center. Therefore we here document leading scientists who admit that the Cosmological Principle, that the universe is isotropic (the same in every direction) and homogeneous (the same everywhere), is not an observational but a philosophical claim. Whether or not the universe has a center is not essential to the Christian faith, but is of passionate concern to most atheistic scientists. So below we:
- document admissions that the Cosmological Principle is a philosophy
- give examples of atheists who hype the claim that the universe has no center
- present evidence that the universe may have a center from our catalog of papers on redshift
- show that it is an atheistic fabrication to claim that the Church ever taught that the Earth was flat
- point out that the president of the actual "Flat Earth Society" is not a creationist but an evolutionist, and
- remind everyone that geocentrism came not from the Bible but from the pagan philosophers Plato and Aristotle
* Hawking, Feynman, Etc. Admit Cosmological Principle is Philosophy: The Standard Model cosmological claim that the universe has no center is based on philosophy and is not confirmed by observation. Consider:
- Scientific American profiled the Stephen Hawking co-author cosmologist George Ellis quoting him stating that:
“People need to be aware that there is a range of models that could explain the observations... For instance, I can construct you a spherically symmetrical universe with Earth at its center, and you cannot disprove it based on observations... You can only exclude it on philosophical grounds... What I want to bring into the open is the fact that we are using philosophical criteria in choosing our models. A lot of cosmology tries to hide that.”
- Stephen Hawking and his co-author wrote in The Large Scale Structure of Space-Time on page 134 that scientists, "are not able to make cosmological models without some mixture of ideology".
- University of California, Riverside's Phillip Gibbs wrote, "Despite the discovery of a great deal of structure in the distribution of the galaxies, most cosmologists still hold to the cosmological principle either for philosophical reasons or because it is a useful working hypothesis..."
- Even regarding Supernova data explicitly, French astrophysicist Marie-Noelle Celerier wrote that "ruling out the Cosmological Principle" is a valid interpretation of the data.
- The Nobel prize-winning physicist Richard Feynman, author of QED on quantum electrodynamics (of one of Bob's favorite books), lectured, "I suspect that the assumption of uniformity of the universe reflects a prejudice... It would be embarrassing to find, after stating that we live in an ordinary planet about an ordinary star in an ordinary galaxy, that our place in the universe is extraordinary … To avoid embarrassment we cling to the hypothesis of uniformity."
* An Atheist and an Evolutionist who Present Faith as Science: Theoretical physicist (emphasis on the theoretical) Lawrence Krauss and popular evolutionist AronRa, both of whom have appeared on Real Science Radio, claim that there is no center of the universe, and as follows, that our Milky Way galaxy is not at or near the center.
- For example AronRa asserted on RSR that, "There is NO CENTER to the universe." Despite our effort in debates with Ra on air and in writing, neither AronRa (nor apparently his fellow atheists at the UK's League of Reason) have admitted that it is not based on evidence, but by faith, that countless atheists and evolutionists believe in the Cosmological Principle. In AronRa's case, he should be willing to admit that he thereby violates his own claimed standard, as he says, that:
…if you believe in truth at all, then you should make sure that the things that you say actually are true [something he hasn't done regarding the universe having no center]. That they are defensibly accurate, and academically correct. And if they are not correct, you should correct them. You wouldn't claim to know anything that you couldn't prove that you knew [like that the universe lacks a center]." hear it
- And Lawrence Krauss said on RSR that he doesn't believe anything! Krauss fancifully claims that he holds no beliefs, as though he were bathed in facts, pure as the driven snow. But what's worse than those who make the naive claim that they hold no beliefs but only operate based on repeatable, observational facts, is that many scientists conduct their life's work while denying the existence of their own belief system yet allowing that very philosophy to control their conclusions and even the scope of investigation that they permit.
* Observational Evidence Pointing to a Center: The most extensive observational evidence ever collected in the history of science is being subjected to intense philsophical bias because of the "embarrassment" mentioned by Feynman above and the emotional anti-creationism of atheistic cosmologist. The most apparent interpretation of the redshift data averaged from about a hundred billion stars in each of hundreds of thousands of galaxies suggests that these galaxies are positioned at preferred distances from the center of the universe. As bolstered by the statements above from leading secular physicists and astrophysicists like Hawking, Ellis, Feynman, etc., that the cosmological principle is philosophical rather than observational, consider these secular and creationist astrophysicist and cosmologists who have documented the quantized redshift suggesting that galaxies exist in preferred distances and concentric shells out from the center of the universe:
- 2013: First, use your own eyes. Look at the Sloan Digital Sky Survey maps above which present the mapping of hundreds of thousands of galaxies that provide direct evidence, from the most extensive scientific observations in history, when viewed apart from philosophical bias, that strongly suggests that the universe has a center.
- 2010: University of Western Australia physics professor John Hartnett, Where are we in the universe? in the peer-reviewed Journal of Creation. Dr. Hartnett has also published papers in various secular physics and astrophysics journals.)
- 2008, Hartnett and Koichi Hirano, Galaxy redshift abundance periodicity from Fourier analysis, Astrophysics and Space Science 318(1, 2):13–24.
- 2006: Published at Cornell University's arxiv.org, scientists at the Institute of Physics in Kiecle, Poland did a comprehensive review of studies on galaxy redshift periodicity, "starting from the first works performed in the seventies of the twentieth century until the present day. We discuss the observational data and methods used, showing in which cases the discretization of redshifts was observed. We conclude that galaxy redshift periodisation is an effect which can really exist."
- 2004: "Large Scale Periodicity in Redshift Distribution" arxiv.org, "We review the previous studies of galaxies and quasar redshifts discretisation. We present also the investigations of the large scale periodicity... afterwards confirmed with supercluster studies."
- 2002: D. Russell Humphreys, long-time physicist at Sandia Nat'l Labs, wrote in the Journal of Creation, "Over the last few decades... Astronomers have confirmed that numerical values of galaxy redshifts are ‘quantized’, tending to fall into distinct groups. According to Hubble’s law, redshifts are proportional to the distances of the galaxies from us. ... Since big bang theorists presuppose the cosmos has naturalistic origins and cannot have a unique centre, they have sought other explanations, without notable success so far. Thus, redshift quantization is evidence (1) against the big bang theory, and (2) for a galactocentric cosmology..."
- 1997: In the Journal of Astrophysics and Astronomy, see Quantized Redshifts: A Status Report, which found that "the redshift distribution has been found to be strongly quantized in the galactocentric frame of reference. The phenomenon is easily seen by eye and apparently cannot be ascribed to statistical artefacts, selection procedures or flawed reduction techniques. … The formal confidence levels associated with these results are extremely high."
- 1990: Nature, Large-scale distribution of galaxies at the Galactic poles, by Broadhurst, et al., at the University of Durham, Queen Mary and Westfield College, University of California Observatories, Lick Observatory, Johns Hopkins, and Budapest's Eotvos University. "Galaxies, mapped in two or three dimensions, are not distributed randomly but are clustered on small scales... Whether galaxies remain correlated on very large scales... is of particular interest, because such structures are unexpected in most cosmological theories. ... Here we report our finding of an excess correlation and an apparent regularity in the galaxy distribution... Similarly deep surveys with greater angular spread are needed to verify our results and to determine the implications for cosmology."
* Atheist Fabrication Claims Church Taught a Flat Earth: Consider the Real Science Radio interview (and also debate), with well-received theistic evolutionist James Hannam, who's history of the middle ages authoritatively rebutted the fabricated claim that the church or any significant Christian educators, authors, or theologians ever beleived in a flat Earth.
* Flat Earth Society President Believes in Darwinism: As reported by Live Science and Creation magazine, the Flat Earth Society's president Daniel Shenton not only believes that the earth is flat, but he also believes in Darwinian evolution. The irony of course is that evolutionists mock creationists by asking if we believe in a flat earth, whereas the Flat Earth Society itself aligns itself not with Christian creationists but with evolutionists. Remember, according to research, those who believe in biblical creation are far less likely to be taken in by popular superstititons than other demographic groups.
* Geocentrism from Pagans Plato and Ptolemy: The pagan Greeks published a false model of the solar system through Plato, Aristotle, and Ptolemy, who collectively thereby retarded scientific progress for more than a thousand years. Their erroneous cosmology was not corrected until scientists with a Christian worldview, including Copernicus, Kepler, and Newton, were able to break free from the repressive intellectual commitment to Aristotelianism and correctly replaced the pagan Greek geocentrism with heliocentrism. The science-retarding belief that the Sun and planets orbited the Earth did not originate from the Scriptures but from pagan Greek philosophers and was maintained by the hellenized world and those committed to the "classics". Also, in a related note, the Galileo affair arose from his opposing not the Bible but the mainstream, secular, Aristotelian geocentrism.
* Atheism Moving Bill Nye the Science Guy to Mental Illness: Because he is in active rebellion against Jesus Christ, who is the Creator, Bill Nye is a broken human being. And as with countless others, the God-shaped vacuum within him longs for a connection to his Lord, but rejecting the Creator, he has a dysfunctional relationship with the creation.
BILL NYE THO (@BilI_Nye_Tho)
12/27/12 1:45 PM
sumtimes it brings tears to my eyes seeing stars & knowing some are dying. im just like, stay strong. i will never forget u..
* See Also: The great article by David Demick & Carl Wieland in Creation magazine, In the middle of the action.
Today’s Resources: Get the Spike Psarris DVD What You Aren't Being Told About Astronomy and Vol. II, Our Created Stars and Galaxies! Have you browsed through our Science Department in the KGOV Store? Check out especially Walt Brown’s In the Beginning and Bob’s interviews with this great scientist in Walt Brown Week! You’ll also love Dr. Guillermo Gonzalez’ Privileged Planet(clip), and Illustra Media’s Unlocking the Mystery of Life (clip)! You can consider our BEL Science Pack; Bob Enyart’s Age of the Earth Debate; Bob's debate about Junk DNA with famous evolutionist Dr. Eugenie Scott; and the superb kids' radio programming, Jonathan Park: The Adventure Begins! And Bob strongly recommends that you subscribe to CMI’s tremendous Creation magazine!
This is the show from Friday January 4th, 2013
SUMMARY:
* Scientists, By Faith, Reject that the Universe has a Center: Real Science Radio's Bob Enyart and Fred Williams document the admission by leading Big Bang scientists that there is no known scientific evidence that confirms the widely accepted belief by cosmologists like Stephen Hawking and physicists like Lawrence Krauss that the universe has no center. Therefore we here document leading scientists who admit that the Cosmological Principle, that the universe is isotropic (the same in every direction) and homogeneous (the same everywhere), is not an observational but a philosophical claim. Whether or not the universe has a center is not essential to the Christian faith, but is of passionate concern to most atheistic scientists. So below we:
- document admissions that the Cosmological Principle is a philosophy
- give examples of atheists who hype the claim that the universe has no center
- present evidence that the universe may have a center from our catalog of papers on redshift
- show that it is an atheistic fabrication to claim that the Church ever taught that the Earth was flat
- point out that the president of the actual "Flat Earth Society" is not a creationist but an evolutionist, and
- remind everyone that geocentrism came not from the Bible but from the pagan philosophers Plato and Aristotle
* Hawking, Feynman, Etc. Admit Cosmological Principle is Philosophy: The Standard Model cosmological claim that the universe has no center is based on philosophy and is not confirmed by observation. Consider:
- Scientific American profiled the Stephen Hawking co-author cosmologist George Ellis quoting him stating that:
“People need to be aware that there is a range of models that could explain the observations... For instance, I can construct you a spherically symmetrical universe with Earth at its center, and you cannot disprove it based on observations... You can only exclude it on philosophical grounds... What I want to bring into the open is the fact that we are using philosophical criteria in choosing our models. A lot of cosmology tries to hide that.”
- Stephen Hawking and his co-author wrote in The Large Scale Structure of Space-Time on page 134 that scientists, "are not able to make cosmological models without some mixture of ideology".
- University of California, Riverside's Phillip Gibbs wrote, "Despite the discovery of a great deal of structure in the distribution of the galaxies, most cosmologists still hold to the cosmological principle either for philosophical reasons or because it is a useful working hypothesis..."
- Even regarding Supernova data explicitly, French astrophysicist Marie-Noelle Celerier wrote that "ruling out the Cosmological Principle" is a valid interpretation of the data.
- The Nobel prize-winning physicist Richard Feynman, author of QED on quantum electrodynamics (of one of Bob's favorite books), lectured, "I suspect that the assumption of uniformity of the universe reflects a prejudice... It would be embarrassing to find, after stating that we live in an ordinary planet about an ordinary star in an ordinary galaxy, that our place in the universe is extraordinary … To avoid embarrassment we cling to the hypothesis of uniformity."
* An Atheist and an Evolutionist who Present Faith as Science: Theoretical physicist (emphasis on the theoretical) Lawrence Krauss and popular evolutionist AronRa, both of whom have appeared on Real Science Radio, claim that there is no center of the universe, and as follows, that our Milky Way galaxy is not at or near the center.
- For example AronRa asserted on RSR that, "There is NO CENTER to the universe." Despite our effort in debates with Ra on air and in writing, neither AronRa (nor apparently his fellow atheists at the UK's League of Reason) have admitted that it is not based on evidence, but by faith, that countless atheists and evolutionists believe in the Cosmological Principle. In AronRa's case, he should be willing to admit that he thereby violates his own claimed standard, as he says, that:
…if you believe in truth at all, then you should make sure that the things that you say actually are true [something he hasn't done regarding the universe having no center]. That they are defensibly accurate, and academically correct. And if they are not correct, you should correct them. You wouldn't claim to know anything that you couldn't prove that you knew [like that the universe lacks a center]." hear it
- And Lawrence Krauss said on RSR that he doesn't believe anything! Krauss fancifully claims that he holds no beliefs, as though he were bathed in facts, pure as the driven snow. But what's worse than those who make the naive claim that they hold no beliefs but only operate based on repeatable, observational facts, is that many scientists conduct their life's work while denying the existence of their own belief system yet allowing that very philosophy to control their conclusions and even the scope of investigation that they permit.
* Observational Evidence Pointing to a Center: The most extensive observational evidence ever collected in the history of science is being subjected to intense philsophical bias because of the "embarrassment" mentioned by Feynman above and the emotional anti-creationism of atheistic cosmologist. The most apparent interpretation of the redshift data averaged from about a hundred billion stars in each of hundreds of thousands of galaxies suggests that these galaxies are positioned at preferred distances from the center of the universe. As bolstered by the statements above from leading secular physicists and astrophysicists like Hawking, Ellis, Feynman, etc., that the cosmological principle is philosophical rather than observational, consider these secular and creationist astrophysicist and cosmologists who have documented the quantized redshift suggesting that galaxies exist in preferred distances and concentric shells out from the center of the universe:
- 2013: First, use your own eyes. Look at the Sloan Digital Sky Survey maps above which present the mapping of hundreds of thousands of galaxies that provide direct evidence, from the most extensive scientific observations in history, when viewed apart from philosophical bias, that strongly suggests that the universe has a center.
- 2010: University of Western Australia physics professor John Hartnett, Where are we in the universe? in the peer-reviewed Journal of Creation. Dr. Hartnett has also published papers in various secular physics and astrophysics journals.)
- 2008, Hartnett and Koichi Hirano, Galaxy redshift abundance periodicity from Fourier analysis, Astrophysics and Space Science 318(1, 2):13–24.
- 2006: Published at Cornell University's arxiv.org, scientists at the Institute of Physics in Kiecle, Poland did a comprehensive review of studies on galaxy redshift periodicity, "starting from the first works performed in the seventies of the twentieth century until the present day. We discuss the observational data and methods used, showing in which cases the discretization of redshifts was observed. We conclude that galaxy redshift periodisation is an effect which can really exist."
- 2004: "Large Scale Periodicity in Redshift Distribution" arxiv.org, "We review the previous studies of galaxies and quasar redshifts discretisation. We present also the investigations of the large scale periodicity... afterwards confirmed with supercluster studies."
- 2002: D. Russell Humphreys, long-time physicist at Sandia Nat'l Labs, wrote in the Journal of Creation, "Over the last few decades... Astronomers have confirmed that numerical values of galaxy redshifts are ‘quantized’, tending to fall into distinct groups. According to Hubble’s law, redshifts are proportional to the distances of the galaxies from us. ... Since big bang theorists presuppose the cosmos has naturalistic origins and cannot have a unique centre, they have sought other explanations, without notable success so far. Thus, redshift quantization is evidence (1) against the big bang theory, and (2) for a galactocentric cosmology..."
- 1997: In the Journal of Astrophysics and Astronomy, see Quantized Redshifts: A Status Report, which found that "the redshift distribution has been found to be strongly quantized in the galactocentric frame of reference. The phenomenon is easily seen by eye and apparently cannot be ascribed to statistical artefacts, selection procedures or flawed reduction techniques. … The formal confidence levels associated with these results are extremely high."
- 1990: Nature, Large-scale distribution of galaxies at the Galactic poles, by Broadhurst, et al., at the University of Durham, Queen Mary and Westfield College, University of California Observatories, Lick Observatory, Johns Hopkins, and Budapest's Eotvos University. "Galaxies, mapped in two or three dimensions, are not distributed randomly but are clustered on small scales... Whether galaxies remain correlated on very large scales... is of particular interest, because such structures are unexpected in most cosmological theories. ... Here we report our finding of an excess correlation and an apparent regularity in the galaxy distribution... Similarly deep surveys with greater angular spread are needed to verify our results and to determine the implications for cosmology."
* Atheist Fabrication Claims Church Taught a Flat Earth: Consider the Real Science Radio interview (and also debate), with well-received theistic evolutionist James Hannam, who's history of the middle ages authoritatively rebutted the fabricated claim that the church or any significant Christian educators, authors, or theologians ever beleived in a flat Earth.
* Flat Earth Society President Believes in Darwinism: As reported by Live Science and Creation magazine, the Flat Earth Society's president Daniel Shenton not only believes that the earth is flat, but he also believes in Darwinian evolution. The irony of course is that evolutionists mock creationists by asking if we believe in a flat earth, whereas the Flat Earth Society itself aligns itself not with Christian creationists but with evolutionists. Remember, according to research, those who believe in biblical creation are far less likely to be taken in by popular superstititons than other demographic groups.
* Geocentrism from Pagans Plato and Ptolemy: The pagan Greeks published a false model of the solar system through Plato, Aristotle, and Ptolemy, who collectively thereby retarded scientific progress for more than a thousand years. Their erroneous cosmology was not corrected until scientists with a Christian worldview, including Copernicus, Kepler, and Newton, were able to break free from the repressive intellectual commitment to Aristotelianism and correctly replaced the pagan Greek geocentrism with heliocentrism. The science-retarding belief that the Sun and planets orbited the Earth did not originate from the Scriptures but from pagan Greek philosophers and was maintained by the hellenized world and those committed to the "classics". Also, in a related note, the Galileo affair arose from his opposing not the Bible but the mainstream, secular, Aristotelian geocentrism.
* Atheism Moving Bill Nye the Science Guy to Mental Illness: Because he is in active rebellion against Jesus Christ, who is the Creator, Bill Nye is a broken human being. And as with countless others, the God-shaped vacuum within him longs for a connection to his Lord, but rejecting the Creator, he has a dysfunctional relationship with the creation.
BILL NYE THO (@BilI_Nye_Tho)
12/27/12 1:45 PM
sumtimes it brings tears to my eyes seeing stars & knowing some are dying. im just like, stay strong. i will never forget u..
* See Also: The great article by David Demick & Carl Wieland in Creation magazine, In the middle of the action.
Today’s Resources: Get the Spike Psarris DVD What You Aren't Being Told About Astronomy and Vol. II, Our Created Stars and Galaxies! Have you browsed through our Science Department in the KGOV Store? Check out especially Walt Brown’s In the Beginning and Bob’s interviews with this great scientist in Walt Brown Week! You’ll also love Dr. Guillermo Gonzalez’ Privileged Planet(clip), and Illustra Media’s Unlocking the Mystery of Life (clip)! You can consider our BEL Science Pack; Bob Enyart’s Age of the Earth Debate; Bob's debate about Junk DNA with famous evolutionist Dr. Eugenie Scott; and the superb kids' radio programming, Jonathan Park: The Adventure Begins! And Bob strongly recommends that you subscribe to CMI’s tremendous Creation magazine!
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