These conversations are quite frustrating to have with you, for you only have one perspective and caricature everything to it without considering soemthing beyond your perview.
As a "spirit being"???
I was unaware that we were having a discussion of "spirit beings"...
If you'll check my edit, I left out physical and added it in. We are physical spirit beings, breathed the breath of life as our essence. That is underlied by our hypostasis, which is outwardly presented as the prosopon. That schema (form) is physical and human, and the prosopon HAS the hypostasis (and all it underlies, including the ousia as the human spirit).
Sigh.
Where does the Bible or the Church Fathers or even Heidigger or Kant or anyone else ever talk about man as a spirit being?
Le- Double Sigh. We are physical beings, breathed life. Our essence (ousia) is our human spirit, just as our soma and sarx comprise the prosopon and are the physical conjoined to the spiritual. Thus we ARE a soul and HAVE a soul.
The whole man cannot refer to his soul,
The soul is the hypostasis and the internal functionalities of spirit and body faculties. The thinking, intending, feeling, and wanting as the inner quality and conduct of WHO we are as a "person". (The tainting of that term by multiplying it for God is the most egregious theological offense in Christian history, along with Dispensationalism.)
for the simple and very good reason that man was created body first and then inbreathed by the Spirit of God... So that man is a composit, and the whole man refers to this composit, and one cannot separate body from soul in the name of man as some "spirit being"...
Triple Sigh. You always filter everything through one myopic and narrow keyhole, often not understanding what others are actually saying.
Our ousia is the human spirit. That's our being. The soul underlies that as the hypostasis and all internal functionalities of spirit/body faculties. The physical prosopon makes us tangible in accordance with the cosmos, just as the lack of a physical prosopon makes the angelic host indigenous to the intangible created heaven, yet able to manifest in tangible form within the cosmos.
All life is breathed by God's Spirit, so any animate created life is/has a spirit being, regardless of the schema of their prosopon. "...and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth."
Life is God-breathed. We have life in our physical bodies. We are physical spiritual beings. Angels are not.
By "BARE HYPOSTASIS do you mean a person apart from his soul?
Or a person apart from his body?
There is no such thing...
Until death there is no such thing...
Yeah, that's my point. You just can't get any of this.
The created person, whom you seem to have trouble calling a person, and to whom you refer as an "HYPOSTASIS", which in English sounds like some kind of deformity, came into being in a physical body and was fully empowered by God in that body in the Garden...
Duh! A physical spiritual being. I suppose I'll have to constantly modify every semantic because you refuse any attempt to understand what I actually say.
And yet you won't clearly define what a spirit and soul ARE, nor how they correspond to hypostasis, ousia, physis, soma, sarx, and prosopon.
I INTUITIVELY KNOW what I'm referring to, yet you can never consider that to be possible while misunderstanding most of what I say.
Which man are you talking about this time? You have already established SPIRIT BEING man, and BARE HYPOSTASIS man, neither of which exist, and now you are going to introduce an ALSO MAN???
OH, GOOD GRAVY. There's no use trying to converse.
AND an OUSIA/PHYSIS MAN???
and a prosopon.
AND a PROSOPON MAN???
What about CRO MAGNON MAN?
You simply have no idea how to correlate spirit-soul and body to hypostasis, ousia, physis, soma, sarx, and prosopon. Please stop pretending you know these intiricasies and caricaturing my posts to that ignorance.
False again, for the whole man refers to the physical creature created in the Image of God...
There IS NO hypostasis ALONE...
Exacly.
BALDERDASH!!
Forgive me... You can now perhaps see why it is that my reading you is an exercise in sheer exasperation... Nothing you say is true, and as soon as one corner is established, the whole of it shifts that nullifies the corner...
That's because you caricature everything I say to something else you presume. And there's never any reeling that back in once you start presuming and assigning. Ot becomes concrete for you.
Man does NOT have a soul because he IS a soul...
Nor vice versa...
Man is a being created by God in His Image having a body and a soul.
...PERIOD...
Nebulous opinion.
You can't just get our your Chinese Culinaries and slice and dice... You have to work outward from central truths accepted by all...
The "central truth" of three hypostasis ISN'T TRUTH. And most who "accept" it are clueless and functional Tritheists.
And now we are back to HYPOSTASIS IS soul... And more crackers theology...
The crackers theology is quantifying the unquantifiable God as three hypostases. Denumber them and I'll gladly embrace hypostasis as "person". It's the error of Uni-Phenomenality that forces me to keep my distance from this SINGLE Patristic error based on reducing phenomena to being created when God APPEARS and SHINES via His transcendent prosopon, whether it is beheld or there are beholders or not.
They gave us unnecessary division and incomplete doctrine; so their best efforts failed at the foundation. And your cognitive dissonance could never consider that.
Do you NOT know that ANIMALS have souls in Greek usage of that term?
Yep. Non-rational souls, because their minds are according to a different bresthing of life.
That the soul is the Life of the body? That the person is in charge of the soul that directs the body? That we ALL KNOW this from direct experience in varying degrees within our own lives?
Yep. Functionalities, just like I said.
As long as you understand the Psalms as prose and poetry - which means as you used it 'theological fiction', you will never, because you will not be able, to understand God as Person, and will forever speak of man as hypostasis, some underlying ontological principle... And for that reason, you will not know God Who IS a Person whenever He is encountered... [Did I mention a beyond loving Person?]
YES!!!!!!!! GOD IS
A "PERSON". You simply can't recognize or understsnd multi-phenomenality, so you're stuck with a 2D paradox of a 3D God; compensated for with the band-aids of multiple hypostases and perichoresis.
IF your core theology FAILS to account God as Person, which IS found in the Psalms, then it fails...
Arsenios
My theology doesn't fail just because you are utterly incapable of anything but misunderstanding and misrepresenting it.
Yeah, I'm out until you have some clue what I've said instead of misrepresenting it all without you even having an understanding of man's constitution, much less God's.
