ECT Mad finds itself in the trash by applying simple logic

[DAN P]

So you're saying that David was forgiven?
Even though the Son born to him and Bathsheba was put to death?

God also said, the sword shall never depart from your house, and as a result, Amnon died at the hand of Absalom after Amnon raped his sister. Absalom was killed by Joab after he rose up against David. And Solomon killed Adonijah.

David's life was spared, but the law did not forgive him. When faced with the facts by Nathan, David said, the man shall pay fourfold, and David happened to lose four sons. Coincidence?

Hi and who is the Law , God , and 2 Sam 12 :1-13 says the God forgave him and the sin he committed , would fall on those that followed David !!

2 Sam 12 answers your concerns !!

Read Psa 51 !!

dan p

 

[serpentdove]

So you're saying that David was forgiven?
Even though the Son born to him and Bathsheba was put to death?

God also said, the sword shall never depart from your house, and as a result, Amnon died at the hand of Absalom after Amnon raped his sister. Absalom was killed by Joab after he rose up against David. And Solomon killed Adonijah.

David's life was spared, but the law did not forgive him. When faced with the facts by Nathan, David said, the man shall pay fourfold, and David happened to lose four sons. Coincidence?

Men think they're getting by with :banana: their sin. :listen: They're not (Ga 6:7).

 

[serpentdove]

God is good. He offers another way (1 Ki 18:21).

 

[andyc]

That's the penalty. I asked what the law is.

You're ignoring the guts of the issue. Jesus was challenged on a point of law.

Had the Pharisees brought a watertight case, Jesus' response would not have worked.

So, do you know what the law regarding adultery is?

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Nope

If the accusers knew they hadn't failed in regard to keeping the law, they were free to exercise judgement.
The woman knew she sinned. The accusers knew she'd sinned. Jesus knew she' d sinned.
The law had a claim on her life. Jesus said, " I do not accuse you (even though you're guilty). but sin no more".

Now.......if she wasn't forgiven, it wouldn't matter if she sinned no more. She was guilty of a sin worthy of death under the law.

 

[Lighthouse]

If God was the one that wrote the law, and the law demands justice, how can God forgive while not violating his own word?

Who says there is no justice when someone is forgiven?

Which was?

You are just dumb, aren't you

 

[andyc]

Who says there is no justice when someone is forgiven?


You are just dumb, aren't you

LOL

You make dumb statement, and then call me dumb.
With God there is no sin without justice.

So far no one can come up with a basis for Jesus to forgive sin while supposedly ministering law.

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[tetelestai]

Who says there is no justice when someone is forgiven?

This is why people used to call you "Dimhouse".

With statements like that, you're not very bright.

All you're doing with these dumb statements is proving MAD is wrong.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Yeah they've got no choice have they?

Either Jesus ministered grace, as he still does, or he was a brutal law enforcer.
If the former, mad does indeed find itself in the trash where it belongs.

I REALLY wish you weren't so ignorant. Life would be much easier in the "TOL World."

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

This is why people used to call you "Dimhouse".

With statements like that, you're not very bright.

All you're doing with these dumb statements is proving MAD is wrong.

You're not one to be calling others "Dumb." You believe Christ already returned to earth in 70AD and all the Biblical prophecies were fulfilled at the same time. That's WORSE than dumb.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

TeT, old GM believes in his heart that you have a loose screw somewhere in your head. I really shouldn't be making light of TeT, after all, he has an amazing "213 Thanks" to his credit. That makes him, one popular poster!

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Some posters around the "TOL World" are living within the confines of a BIZARRO Universe. TeT is one of those victims.

 

[tetelestai]

TeT, old GM believes in his heart that you have a loose screw somewhere in your head.

Is there anyway you could put me back on "permanent ignore" again?

I couldn't care less what you think of me, it's just that your posts waste space in threads, and contribute zero input, no matter what the topic is.

 

[Clete]

Recently I've been amused by the madists responses to the fact that Jesus forgave a woman caught in the act of adultery. The mads have amazingly convinced themselves that Jesus was a Mosaic law enforcer. Well, they have to think that, don't they?
Otherwise, Jesus would be seen to be operating with grace, mercy and forgiveness like the Jesus all non madists know and love.

So the simple point that the madist has to try and figure out is, what was the basis for people to receive forgiveness of sins by Jesus?

All non madists prepare yourselves for the most ridiculous bizarre responses to this question you could possibly imagine.
But first, lets look at the following passage......


Luke 7:36-50
Then one of the Pharisees asked Him to eat with him. And He went to the Pharisee’s house, and sat down to eat. And behold, a woman in the city who was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at the table in the Pharisee’s house, brought an alabaster flask of fragrant oil, and stood at His feet behind Him weeping; and she began to wash His feet with her tears, and wiped them with the hair of her head; and she kissed His feet and anointed them with the fragrant oil.

If you're a madist, this woman just did the most stupidest thing possible. She decided to worship a Mosaic law enforcer. The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. What kind of grace could she possibly be hoping for from a lawman?
After all, the letter kills, and Jesus was supposed to be a minister of the letter, right? :chuckle:
Jesus wasn't supposed to be speaking words of spirit and life, was he? of course not :chuckle:
What was this woman thinking?

Now when the Pharisee who had invited Him saw this, he spoke to himself, saying, "This man, if He were a prophet, would know who and what manner of woman this is who is touching Him, for she is a sinner."

He's got a point there, hasn't he, madists?

And Jesus answered and said to him, "Simon, I have something to say to you."

Listen up, madists.

So he said, "Teacher, say it." "There was a certain creditor who had two debtors. One owed five hundred denarii, and the other fifty. "And when they had nothing with which to repay, he freely forgave them both. Tell Me, therefore, which of them will love him more?" Simon answered and said, "I suppose the one whom he forgave more." And He said to him, "You have rightly judged." Then He turned to the woman and said to Simon, "Do you see this woman? I entered your house; you gave Me no water for My feet, but she has washed My feet with her tears and wiped them with the hair of her head. "You gave Me no kiss, but this woman has not ceased to kiss My feet since the time I came in. "You did not anoint My head with oil, but this woman has anointed My feet with fragrant oil. "Therefore I say to you, her sins, which are many, are forgiven, for she loved much.

Hang on. The woman came to Jesus in faith because she knew he'd forgive her? and so she was pouring out her love for him (worshiping him).?

She had FAITH to be forgiven in other words! And she was forgiven! GRACE GRACE GRACE! Not law!

Now if you're the pharisees sitting at the table watching this, or if you're a madist, there's a very serious question to ask here.
What is the basis for Jesus to forgive this woman's many sins? If he's a law enforcer, there is no basis. You see, the old covenant law was bound between God and man. In the same way that man was bound by the law, God was also bound by it.
How can God overlook a violation of the law one minute, and then condemn the next?
Scripture tells us that the law and the prophets were until John, and so there was a new covenant being introduced that was not according to the letter, and where faith was the only requirement. Faith in Jesus to forgive sins.

But to whom little is forgiven, the same loves little." Then He said to her, "Your sins are forgiven." And those who sat at the table with Him began to say to themselves, "Who is this who even forgives sins?" Then He said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you. Go in peace."

What? her faith saved her? Faith in what?
What's the basis for sins to be forgiven if the sinner is under condemnation from the law, and Jesus is supposed to be a law enforcer?

You won't believe the mad responses to this.

Go!

Why is it that people who hate Mid-Acts Dispensationalism the most, cannot seem to find anything that Mid-Acts Dispensationalism actually teaches to refute?

 

[tetelestai]

Why is it that people who hate Mid-Acts Dispensationalism the most, cannot seem to find anything that Mid-Acts Dispensationalism actually teaches to refute?

MAD claims Jesus taught the law.

This thread shows MAD is wrong.

Luke 16:16 proves Jesus didn't teach the law, and it proves MAD wrong.

The responses in this thread by MADists, prove MAD wrong.

(Luke 16:16) "The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John. Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing their way into it.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Why is it that people who hate Mid-Acts Dispensationalism the most, cannot seem to find anything that Mid-Acts Dispensationalism actually teaches to refute?

Good point.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Is there anyway you could put me back on "permanent ignore" again?

I couldn't care less what you think of me, it's just that your posts waste space in threads, and contribute zero input, no matter what the topic is.

Well, TeT, that's YOUR opinion. And, you know what? Your opinion and a ten dollar bill will purchase a GREAT cup of Coffee. Did I make my point? Hopefully. I'm not crazy about "Preterists," I actually think they're kinda NUTS!

 

[Stripe]

The law had a claim on her life.

This is a statement that we cannot assess the truth value of, because you will not cite the law.

What is the law regarding adultery?

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

It's interesting that those who hate MAD types and those that believe in the Grace Gospel as preached by The Apostle Paul, always say the same thing about old GM: "You waste Bandwidth and never say anything of worth." They always come up with that line of Hooey!.

 

[andyc]

Is there anyway you could put me back on "permanent ignore" again?

I couldn't care less what you think of me, it's just that your posts waste space in threads, and contribute zero input, no matter what the topic is.

He put me on ignore twice in the last month. Only lasts for a few hours though.

 

[andyc]

Why is it that people who hate Mid-Acts Dispensationalism the most, cannot seem to find anything that Mid-Acts Dispensationalism actually teaches to refute?

Obviously there are some who do not understand the challenge in the OP.