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SabathMoon

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Also neither objectively true nor scientifically supportable. No idea what you're up to, but it's neither rational nor argument, so good luck with that.
You would defend God's omniscience if it took him 4.5 billion years to make the universe. Neither is god dumb or slow to act.
 

DavidK

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Nazis and KKK are socialists.

David Duke seems to be anti-affirmative action, anti-immigration, a supporter of a flat tax, ant wants to give people tax credits to send their kids to private schools. Doesn't sound very socialist.

I see, historically, a mixture of Democrat and Republican Klansmen. Does the KKK maintain a political platform?

The Nazi's were a worker's party. It helps when you're going to blame the strange people in your country for taking all your jobs and money to promise people that you're going to provide them jobs... hey, wait a second.

But you dodged my question. German Nazis were socialists. But do our home-grown, contemporary Neo-Nazis even realize that, much less support it?
 

DavidK

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You would defend God's omniscience if it took him 4.5 billion years to make the universe. Neither is god dumb or slow to act.

What does His omniscience have to do with taking a long time to do something?

And are you saying He's incapable of taking a long time to do something if that is His wisdom?
 

randomvim

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Do most neo-nazis have any idea what the 1933 Nazi Platform contained?

Trying to call them socialists seems akin to declaring the current Republican party pro-labor, pro-immigration, and pro-public works because of its late 19th century roots.
what is neo nazi platform? I expect changes to occur but there have been no known leave from socialism as a whole.

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David Duke seems to be anti-affirmative action, anti-immigration, a supporter of a flat tax, ant wants to give people tax credits to send their kids to private schools. Doesn't sound very socialist.
Publicly funding privates schools is socialist. David Duke was fairly liberal governor of Louisiana, if I recall correctly. Duke is never honest about his beliefs, and rumored to be a liberal troll.
 

DavidK

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There is nothing wise in doing so. What is your point?

I was trying to understand yours.

What does knowing all things have to do with how long He takes to do something?

And what would be unwise about an eternal, patient God allowing something to happen over time?

Why take six days when it could have been instantaneous?
 

DavidK

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Publicly funding privates schools is socialist.

Giving people tax cuts for them to spend on private institutions is socialist?

David Duke was fairly liberal governor of Louisiana, if I recall correctly. Duke is never honest about his beliefs, and rumored to be a liberal troll.

All right, I believe he's dishonest. And if rumor says a thing, well.

I'm trying to find something along the lines of a KKK political platform. Perhaps you have somewhere better for me to look?

As far as I knew, the KKK and other US white supremacy groups were pretty focused on limiting or getting rid of "non-Europeans". The idea that they have a cohesive political platform like socialism is new to me.
 

SabathMoon

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I was trying to understand yours.

What does knowing all things have to do with how long He takes to do something?

And what would be unwise about an eternal, patient God allowing something to happen over time?

Why take six days when it could have been instantaneous?
The angels had existed before mankind. This reminds me of "Shockwave's Burden". After waiting 4 million years, Shockwave is finally contacted by Megatron. It is a youtube spoof, but it is very funny nonetheless. There is profanity in the videos though.
 
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You would defend God's omniscience if it took him 4.5 billion years to make the universe. Neither is god dumb or slow to act.
Blueberry...it's my standard answer when someone appears to respond to something I said or wrote, however whatever they say or write in response has no connection to my thought.

Here's what an actual response on point looks like:
You would defend God's omniscience if it took him 4.5 billion years to make the universe.
God doesn't need defending.
His omniscience wasn't a subject I broached or one that relates to any point I made.
It doesn't appear to relate to any of yours, either.
How long the unfolding or creation of the universe takes is immaterial.

Neither is god dumb or slow to act.
Which is neither a rebuttal for any particular point I've made nor a thing I'd dispute.

So, again, any actual comment on the literal topic under way? Any thoughts on the far right villain who drove a car into a crowd of people because he didn't like their message?
 

SabathMoon

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God doesn't need defending.
You are wrong, because God can and has been slandered, and misrepresented many times past and present.
His omniscience wasn't a subject I broached or one that relates to any point I made.
It doesn't appear to relate to any of yours, either.
How long the unfolding or creation of the universe takes is immaterial.
You are saying intelligent design doesn't matter. I disagree.
 

randomvim

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David Duke seems to be anti-affirmative action, anti-immigration, a supporter of a flat tax, ant wants to give people tax credits to send their kids to private schools. Doesn't sound very socialist.

I see, historically, a mixture of Democrat and Republican Klansmen. Does the KKK maintain a political platform?

The Nazi's were a worker's party. It helps when you're going to blame the strange people in your country for taking all your jobs and money to promise people that you're going to provide them jobs... hey, wait a second.

But you dodged my question. German Nazis were socialists. But do our home-grown, contemporary Neo-Nazis even realize that, much less support it?
Communists want the same thing. one flat tax across the board for everyone. only difference here is that they give a flat rate as salary.

Both fascism and comunism control markets and society by law, which both except a military state to control masses and violate opposing thoughts by violence and law.

both limit and control social aspect of our lives. from who we date to what we may believe to how we may assemble. Many govts do this to some degree, but to limit freedom of speech is both their goals.

do neo nazi's support this style of govt?

yes. they act it out. they say it often.

do kkk have a platform? yes. one similar to that when it was founded.

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DavidK

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Communists want the same thing. one flat tax across the board for everyone. only difference here is that they give a flat rate as salary.

Both fascism and comunism control markets and society by law, which both except a military state to control masses and violate opposing thoughts by violence and law.

both limit and control social aspect of our lives. from who we date to what we may believe to how we may assemble. Many govts do this to some degree, but to limit freedom of speech is both their goals.

do neo nazi's support this style of govt?

yes. they act it out. they say it often.

do kkk have a platform? yes. one similar to that when it was founded.

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Both communism and fascism are totalitarian, that doesn't make them the same thing. In fact, one of the possible defining attributes of fascism has been opposition to communism. One of the villains the Nazis used were the communists.

A distinguishing factor between the two is that communists rally around class identities which transcend national boundaries versus the fascists, who rally around a national identity.

All that aside, the assertion was that the KKK and contemporary Nazis are socialist, not communist. Not all socialism is totalitarian. Witness democratic socialist countries.

Going farther back to the beginning of the thread, calling Nazis "liberal" is complete nonsense.

Can you point me to a site with the KKK political platform, current or original?
 

Arthur Brain

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The Nazi's famously tried to appropriate and redefine the term "socialism" in an attempt to broaden the appeal. They were always politically 'far right'.

Yup. Those on the far right are most likely aware of this but simply don't like the unfavorable commonality. Has any "liberal" endorsed the execution of homosexuals on here? Plenty of those on the far right here do. Oh, and what were one of the groups that the Nazi's persecuted again?
 

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"The FBI...has already concluded that white supremacists, including neo-Nazi supporters and members of the Ku Klux Klan, are in fact responsible for the lion’s share of violent attacks among domestic extremist groups. White supremacists “were responsible for 49 homicides in 26 attacks from 2000 to 2016 … more than any other domestic extremist movement,” reads the joint intelligence bulletin." Jana Winter, Foreign Policy Magazine, August 14, 2017


Just thought I'd supply a little context.
 

Town Heretic

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You are wrong, because God can and has been slandered, and misrepresented many times past and present.
That doesn't make me wrong, SM. He still doesn't need you to do anything for Him. He's in the doing for you business and He expects you to do for others. No one is hurting His feelings. He isn't surprised by man. And no one is harming His reputation among those who love Him.

You seem determine to read into my comments. You should just ask what I mean or a direct question.

You are saying intelligent design doesn't matter.
Well, no. Nothing I wrote leads to that conclusion. What I would say is that while I'm naturally curious about the mechanism God used to create existence, how He managed it is far less important than that He managed it. Once you have that in hand the rest is narrative detail.

I disagree
You're creating something then disagreeing with it. If you want to know my position on anything all you have to do is ask. Especially when it comes to God.

Speaking of questions, do you have any particular take on the actual topic of the thread, the violence perpetrated against protesters by an alt right supporter in Charlottesville?
 
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