Kentucky Pastor Barred From Ministering Over Biblical View on Homosexuality..

Angel4Truth

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Kentucky Pastor Barred From Ministering to Incarcerated Youth Over Biblical View on Homosexuality Is Suing the State

A Kentucky pastor was stripped of his right to minister to youth while using the Bible at a Juvenile Detention Center in Bowling Green earlier this year after he refused to sign a new policy that would prohibit him from referring to homosexuality as sinful.

The pastor, David Wells of Pleasant View Baptist Church in McQuady, has helped sexually abused youth at Warren County Regional Juvenile Detention Center for 12 years, and is being represented by the Liberty Council, a Christian law firm that's filing a lawsuit against the state on his behalf for refusing to reinstate him.

"They have not accommodated him and they're clearly trying to restrict a particular viewpoint," said Mat Staver, founder and chairman of Liberty Council to The Christian Post on Thursday."

Liberty Council wrote a letter to the Department of Juvenile Justice back in July demanding that Wells be reinstated, but the request was denied.

Staver, who supports Wells' prison ministry, believes the lawsuit against the state of Kentucky is the logical next step for this case. He also discussed the nature of his client's ministry and why it's important for him to have the right to free speech while dealing with incarcerated youth.

"In one particular case there was a boy who was sexually abusing his sister and ended up killing her. He's one of the people Dave Wells ministers to. But he wouldn't even be able to tell him that he's able to change. And there's others who were abused by the same-sex, as David himself was when he was young. So he knows the hurt and damage that it causes." said Staver.

"Often times these young men or women blame themselves even though it's not their fault. And they wonder if there's any hope for them. David is able to give them hope. But now Kentucky would rather have them remain in their chains in bondage, than to give them freedom, and David simply can't sign something that would require him to be silent," added Staver.

If Wells had complied with the detention center's new terms, he would be able to reference scripture verses to the inmates, but he would not be allowed to read the Bible to them or say anything about the verses.

Staver said the new stipulation is not only "silly," but is a violation of Wells' First Amendment rights.

"If a young girl or boy asks him 'is there any hope for me,' the only thing he can do is write down a scripture. And if somebody says 'well, I don't have a Bible,' or 'what does that mean,' he can't respond," Staver explained.

The Department of Juvenile Justice said it instituted this new policy in order to "foster an open and inclusive culture" and to prevent homosexual youth from feeling abused or denigrated.

However, during his 12 years of service to the detention center, there has never been a complaint about Wells or his work, according to Staver, who believes the attack on the ministry is the first of many to come in the U.S. after the Supreme Court ruled that state bans against same-sex marriage are unconstitutional.

"It's a result of this silly opinion from five lawyers at the Supreme Court that invented some new so-called right to same-sex marriage without any constitutional authority," said Staver. "I think more and more people are going realize the impact of that opinion and I think they're going to push back a bit."



Another link :
A complaint letter sent to the Department of Juvenile Justice by the Liberty Counsel alleges that David Wells — who voluntarily counseled young prisoners through a ministry at Pleasant View Baptist Church in McQuady, Kentucky — was barred from the Warren County Regional Juvenile Detention Center “because he could not sign a state-mandated statement that homosexuality was not ‘sinful,’ among other things.’
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...m-promising-not-to-call-homosexuality-sinful/

Clergy being told they cant follow the bible? Now ministers need to check their faith at the door?
 

GFR7

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Of course, once you legalize (by finding a constitutional right to) sodomy and to gay marriage, everything begins to fall like dominoes.

The surprising thing is that this has been coming on for 15-20 years, and no one seemed terribly concerned about it (politicians and clergy alike seemed to let things slide).
 

The Barbarian

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He can minister all he likes. What he can't do, is demand that the government give him a forum to do it.

I can understand why he doesn't like the law being what it is. I agree with him on that. That still doesn't give him the right to demand that the state give him access to kids so he can preach against it.
 

Angel4Truth

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Good, glad to see this happening. Homosexuality is no more inherently sinful than heterosexuality.

Clearly you don't understand the bible. A sin is a transgression of Gods law. There is no law against heterosexuality, there is a law against homosexuality.

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

The law:

Leviticus 20:13 "'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Reiterated in the NT in these verses: Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10, Jude 1:7

Now if you wish to continue to discuss the sinfulness or lack of , of homosexuality, please create your own thread, as this one is about one being able to practise what they believe as a minister.

So any comment on trying to force a pastor to agree its not sinful?
 

kiwimacahau

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Clearly you don't understand the bible. A sin is a transgression of Gods law. There is no law against heterosexuality, there is a law against homosexuality.

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

The law:

Leviticus 20:13 "'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Reiterated in the NT in these verses: Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10, Jude 1:7

Now if you wish to continue to discuss the sinfulness or lack of , of homosexuality, please create your own thread, as this one is about one being able to practise what they believe as a minister.

So any comment on trying to force a pastor to agree its not sinful?

As your country is not a theocracy, you are not run by Biblical law. Moreover the terms and conditions of his employment as a chaplain would have been clearly spelled out for him by the DoJ. I note the following quote in annabenedetti's reply above: ". . .DJJ staff, volunteers, interns, and contractors shall not imply or tell LGBTQI juveniles that they are abnormal, deviant, sinful, or that they can or should change their sexual orientation or gender identity.. . ."

His first amendment rights do not trump the necessity of making a safe place for kids.
 

The Barbarian

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Isn't that an infringement on first amendment rights, freedom of speech.

He still has those rights. You see, what none of us have, is the right to demand that the government assist us in preaching those beliefs.

If he wants to do it on his own, he's perfectly free to do so. If he wants a handout from Uncle Sugar to help him do it, he's out of line.

hes suing.

Good luck with that.
 

Nazaroo

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He still has those rights.
You see, what none of us have,
is the right to demand that the government
assist us in preaching those beliefs.

Wrong.

When a government locks up people in isolation from libraries and knowledge,
and prevents them from accessing their religion of informed choice,
by denying the right to even be informed,
you have a draconian dictatorship.

Its known that prisoners aren't just made up of criminals.

Many incarcerated are there because of 'fads' in law enforcement policy
and changes in the legality of various practices.
Coca Cola once sold cocaine. marijuana was made illegal to control ship-building power.

Strikes have been illegal and legal.

In most civilized countries we no longer have 'debtors' prison'.

When laws change they leave victims in their wake, often inside
brutal penal institutions and prisons under inhumane conditions.

For a government to now deny them access to Bibles, religious teachings,
and even communication to the outside, is a clear and deep violation
of human rights.


What the government is trying to cover up is the rampant rape by sodomy
going on in US prisons.


By siding with them you are a Sodomite Enabler, and supporter,
that is, a member of the town of Sodom who stood by and allowed
gangs of violent homosexual criminals to attempt to sodomize
angels and servants of the Lord.

Thats Roman Catholicism, but its not what Protestant America stands for.



 

Nazaroo

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He can minister all he likes. What he can't do, is demand that the government give him a forum to do it.

I can understand why he doesn't like the law being what it is. I agree with him on that. That still doesn't give him the right to demand that the state give him access to kids so he can preach against it.


What I can now see is that you are a government sellout,
covering up the horrific crimes taking place inside US prisons,
and the tragic consequences like the spread of AIDS, Syphilis, Gonorrhoea,
and Hepatitus, through the high RAPE rates inside prisons.

In the case of prison rape, its violent sodomy and physical assault bodily harm.

The government doesn't want to tell prisoners its a crime, illegal, and immoral.

Instead, the government which is made up of homosexual lawyers,
wants to tell prisoners that sodomy is NOT a crime, so don't bother
trying to complain or sue or take violent counter-action to defend your own body.
 
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