Intellectuals

[Squeaky]

INTELLECTUAL IDIOTS (MANS SYSTEM OF BELIEF)(CARNAL MIND)
2 Cor 11:3
3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
Matt 11:25
25 At that time Jesus answered and said, "I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes.
John 6:61
61 When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples complained about this, He said to them, "Does this offend you?
Matt 11:6
6 "And blessed is he who is not offended because of Me."
Matt 12:37
37 "For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."
Matt 18:3
3 and said, "Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
Col 2:8
8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.
John 5:38-39
38 "But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe.
39 "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.
John 3:34
34 "For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure.
1 Tim 6:3-4
3 If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness,
4 he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions,
Rom 16:18
18 For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple.
Matt 23:24
24 "Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!
Matt 13:14-15
14 "And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: 'Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, and seeing you will see and not perceive;
15 For the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, so that I should heal them.'
Rom 3:18
18 "There is no fear of God before their eyes."
Luke 1:50
50 And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
1 Cor 1:26
26 For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called.
Rom 11:25
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
Rom 12:16
16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.
Heb 4:12-13
12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.
2 Pet 2:18-19
18 For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error.
19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage.
1 Cor 2:1-14
1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, did not come with excellence of speech or of wisdom declaring to you the testimony of God.
2 For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.
3 I was with you in weakness, in fear, and in much trembling.
4 And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
5 that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
6 However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory,
8 which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written: "Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, nor have entered into the heart of man the things which God has prepared for those who love Him."
10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
13 These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
John 9:39
39 And Jesus said, "For judgment I have come into this world, that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may be made blind."
Rom 11:8
8 Just as it is written: "God has given them a spirit of stupor, eyes that they should not see and ears that they should not hear, to this very day."
Luke 16:8
8 "So the master commended the unjust steward because he had dealt shrewdly. For the sons of this world are more shrewd in their generation than the sons of light.
(NKJ)

xxChristians are going to lose lots of carnal arguements to intellectuals. This is how they are separated, the sheep from the goats. But those who have lots of human wisdom also have lots of deception. Because to come to the Holy Spirit it is required to purge the carnal wisdom and have faith in the verses. Because the intellect is of the flesh and human wisdom. But faith is of the verses and strength to endure the humiliation by the intellectuals. An intellectual has to be right at all cost, and their arguement will waver back and forth until they feel they have won. But remember God has made foolish the wisdom of man. He who is from God speaks the Words of God(verses). Man is glorified on earth, but Christians will be glorified in the resurrection.

Heb 12:3
3 For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls.
(NKJ)


RATIONAL MIND
Mark 2:6-8
6 And some of the scribes were sitting there and reasoning in their hearts,
7 "Why does this Man speak blasphemies like this? Who can forgive sins but God alone?"
8 But immediately, when Jesus perceived in His spirit that they reasoned thus within themselves, He said to them, "Why do you reason about these things in your hearts?
Luke 5:21-22
21 And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, "Who is this who speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins but God alone?"
22 But when Jesus perceived their thoughts, He answered and said to them, "Why are you reasoning in your hearts?
(NKJ)

xxThe one big problem with the rational mind(reasoning out things) is that they assume that they know the truth about everything already. So they start out in their thinking with the assumption that they can know. But what does the Word of God say: unless you become as a little child, you will by no means enter the kingdom of God. And a little child just believes everything you tell them. Well that is what the Word of God says, just believe what the Word tells you. In reality the Word is saying believe it first and then God will open your understanding. But the rational mind says dont believe nothing until you have good reason behind it. This is the difference between accepting it on faith, and reasoning it out according to mans wisdom. The Word accually says to first repent then believe in the gospel. It doesnt say reason it out until it says what you want it to. To many have a pre-conceived idea planted by some man before they open the bible. Then they search to find something that supports their already pre-conceived idea.


Mark 1:15
15 and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel."
(NKJ)


1 Cor 2:4-5
4 And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
5 that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
(NKJ)

 

[meshak]

To many have a pre-conceived idea planted by some man before they open the bible. Then they search to find something that supports their already pre-conceived idea.

Yes.

 

[Squeaky]

I feel sorry for smart people. They trust in their intellect and carnal knowledge. And they try to fit scripture into their way of thinking rationally. I think that is why God said
1 Cor 1:26
26 For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called.

They are so hooked on their carnal reason and logic, they miss the truth in the Word.
Jesus said to just repent and believe in the gospel. Simple huh. Not for the wise and intelligent(carnal). I wonder how many of them repent before they start reading, and then believe what ever they read. The way it is written.


1 Cor 1:19-20
19 For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."
20 Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
(NKJ)

1 Cor 1:27
27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty;
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Col 2:8
8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

The smarter a person is carnally the dumber they are spiritually. That is why it says to purge out the carnal wisdom.


1 Cor 5:7-8
7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.
8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
(NKJ)

 

[meshak]

Jesus said to just repent and believe in the gospel. Simple huh.

Yes, it is simple. The problem is that most of us are not willing to accept Jesus' simple teachings because in order to do that we have to abandon our worldly way of mentality and practice to His way.

It is simple teachings yet hard to apply or practice unless we abandon ourselves.

 

[Squeaky]

Yes, it is simple. The problem is that most of us are not willing to accept Jesus' simple teachings because in order to do that we have to abandon our worldly way of mentality and practice to His way.

It is simple teachings yet hard to apply or practice unless we abandon ourselves.

I said
Your right.

2 Cor 11:3
3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
(NKJ)

Its sad to watch them get into these stupid arguments that whether they win or loose won't help them get to heaven.


Phil 2:12
12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
(NKJ)

 

[meshak]

Its sad to watch them get into these stupid arguments that whether they win or loose won't help them get to heaven.

They get so angry about being faithful to Jesus with word and action until the end.

they don't want to change and still want salvation. This kind of faith misrepresent Jesus to the world.

 

[Squeaky]

They get so angry about being faithful to Jesus with word and action until the end.

they don't want to change and still want salvation. This kind of faith misrepresent Jesus to the world.

I said
When they get tested they fail the test. And they don't know how to test themselves. They don't know how to judge themselves.

2 Cor 13:5-6
5 Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?-- unless indeed you are disqualified.
6 But I trust that you will know that we are not disqualified.
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[Squeaky]

Isnt it ironic. The only ones who will not read about intellectual idiots is the intellectual idiots. Because their emotions don't want them to see the truth.

 

[Interplanner]

Jesus has simple and complex teachings. weapons of the right hand and the left hand.

 

[Squeaky]

Jesus has simple and complex teachings. weapons of the right hand and the left hand.

I said
There is only one weapon. The Word (verses).

2 Cor 10:3-5
3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh.
4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds,
5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,
(NKJ)

 

[Interplanner]

The expression I used is also from 2 Cor.

Everyone has different capabilities and background experiences. Do you think Jane Austen was an intellectual when she wrote MANSFIELD PARK or SENSE AND SENSIBILITY? Or she was just very dialed in to what women need to talk about. There are simple people who "get" her and those that don't. There are educated people who "get" her and those that don't.

You have to accept that one type will not always work or that all types will always accept what your are saying.

I Cor 1:24 means to answer the question that the listener finds most needed, most necessary. (Power and wisdom are two different realms).

 

[meshak]

The expression I used is also from 2 Cor.

Everyone has different capabilities and background experiences. Do you think Jane Austen was an intellectual when she wrote MANSFIELD PARK or SENSE AND SENSIBILITY? Or she was just very dialed in to what women need to talk about. There are simple people who "get" her and those that don't. There are educated people who "get" her and those that don't.

You have to accept that one type will not always work or that all types will always accept what your are saying.

I Cor 1:24 means to answer the question that the listener finds most needed, most necessary. (Power and wisdom are two different realms).

Jesus' servants ought to be educated by Jesus' word or teachings, not by the world's wisdom.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Yes.

You only trust in Matthew, Mark, and perhaps John, and disregard
the rest of the Bible so how would you know?

 

[Squeaky]

The expression I used is also from 2 Cor.

Everyone has different capabilities and background experiences. Do you think Jane Austen was an intellectual when she wrote MANSFIELD PARK or SENSE AND SENSIBILITY? Or she was just very dialed in to what women need to talk about. There are simple people who "get" her and those that don't. There are educated people who "get" her and those that don't.

You have to accept that one type will not always work or that all types will always accept what your are saying.

I Cor 1:24 means to answer the question that the listener finds most needed, most necessary. (Power and wisdom are two different realms).

I said
Well one can turn to God and His Word. Or follow the delusions.
You follow the delusions. And I follow the Word.

II Th 2:10-12
10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,
12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
(NKJ)

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

They get so angry about being faithful to Jesus with word and action until the end.

they don't want to change and still want salvation. This kind of faith misrepresent Jesus to the world.

So, you consider yourself to be the best "Representative" to the world now huh?

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

I said
Your right.

2 Cor 11:3
3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
(NKJ)

Its sad to watch them get into these stupid arguments that whether they win or loose won't help them get to heaven.


Phil 2:12
12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
(NKJ)

I said:
Squeaky has a screw loose in his head.

 

[Squeaky]

You only trust in Matthew, Mark, and perhaps John, and disregard
the rest of the Bible so how would you know?

I said
You know if someone gets off to a good start. That's ok. She can learn the rest later. But badgering, and condemning her, and harassing her is not Christian. She is necessary. But you not even being a disciple yet, is not necessary. You become a real disciple and we can welcome you into the fold.

1 Cor 12:22
22 No, much rather, those members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary.
(NKJ)

1 Pet 3:7
7 Husbands, likewise, dwell with them with understanding, giving honor to the wife, as to the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life, that your prayers may not be hindered.
(NKJ)

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

I said
You know if someone gets off to a good start. That's ok. She can learn the rest later. But badgering, and condemning her, and harassing her is not Christian. She is necessary. But you not even being a disciple yet, is not necessary. You become a real disciple and we can welcome you into the fold.

1 Cor 12:22
22 No, much rather, those members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary.
(NKJ)

1 Pet 3:7
7 Husbands, likewise, dwell with them with understanding, giving honor to the wife, as to the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life, that your prayers may not be hindered.
(NKJ)

So far, Meshak and Squeaky are the only disciples on TOL correct?

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

The problem is, Meshak disregards/rejects the Grace Message (Paul's Gospel)
Therefore, she cannot be saved. She has chosen to live under the law and must
fulfill it 100%. And by the way, that's impossible. She's trying to, work her way
to eternal life.

 

[meshak]

I said
You know if someone gets off to a good start. That's ok. She can learn the rest later. But badgering, and condemning her, and harassing her is not Christian. She is necessary. But you not even being a disciple yet, is not necessary. You become a real disciple and we can welcome you into the fold.

1 Cor 12:22
22 No, much rather, those members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary.
(NKJ)

1 Pet 3:7
7 Husbands, likewise, dwell with them with understanding, giving honor to the wife, as to the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life, that your prayers may not be hindered.
(NKJ)

Jesus is the Teacher. He was perfect Teacher. Paul is not nearly as good as Jesus. We have Jesus' word. We don't need Paul's teachings.

We don't live in dark ages any more. In Jesus' time or early churches, they did not have Jesus' direct word to spread.

There is nothing lacks in Jesus' word.