ItIsWritten
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Topic suggestion: An Old Earth v Young Earth debate with a Hugh Ross v Ken Ham or similar pairing would, I suspect, be a crowd pleaser (high view rate) in addition to helping to inform the Christian laity on this issue.
ItIsWritten said:Topic suggestion: An Old Earth v Young Earth debate with a Hugh Ross v Ken Ham or similar pairing would, I suspect, be a crowd pleaser (high view rate) in addition to helping to inform the Christian laity on this issue.
Thid would be a true heavyweight battle!! :box:logos_x said:Might be interesting.
But personally...I'd rather see a debate between Dr. Robert D. Luginbill and D. Russell Humphreys, Ph.D.. :BRAVO:
I'll join you on in that. :cheers:logos_x said:Indeed.
:cheers:
I want to take the side that the Bible takes. But as I've done only limited Bible study on this issue as of this point, I have to remain open to new information on this question.death2impiety said:Which side do you take?
ItIsWritten said:I want to take the side that the Bible takes.
Could that debate be a Battle Royale on TOL?? How cool would that be.They've both told me that they to WANT to debate the other, but both say that the other is ducking them and won't commit to an honest debate.
Tell that to Hugh Ross, Hank Hannagraph, Lee Stroble and all the other old earthers who 'interpret' it differently.One Eyed Jack said:Just read the fourth commandment -- that lays it out quite plainly.
Very, in my opinion. But I suspect that it won't happen, because one knows they can't take the heat, so they won't show up. The question is which one?GuySmiley said:Could that debate be a Battle Royale on TOL?? How cool would that be.
ItIsWritten said:Tell that to Hugh Ross, Hank Hannagraph, Lee Stroble and all the other old earthers who 'interpret' it differently.
You have to watch and listen VERY carefully. If you call and ask him he will REFUSE to give you a straight answer on this, because he wants the money that he can get from the young earthers and doesn't want the heat that coming out of the closet on this would cost, especially since he is already hurting from coming out of the closet on his Jesus-returned-in-70AD "in vindication and exaultation" 'partial preterist' (but call it something different) position.The Berean said:Hank Hannegraaff is an OEC? I didn't know that.
ItIsWritten said:You have to watch and listen VERY carefully. If you call and ask him he will REFUSE to give you a straight answer on this, because he wants the money that he can get from the young earthers and doesn't want the heat that coming out of the closet on this would cost, especially since he is already hurting from coming out of the closet on his Jesus-returned-in-70AD "in vindication and exaultation" 'partial preterist' (but call it something different) position.
ASK him, you won't get any answer except that it is "permitted within the pale" to believe either. Listen to the WAY he speaks about the young earthers (such as "WOODEN literalists") but more important, watch who's books he elects to push and the postion of all the guests that he elects to have on any broadcasts related to this topic and you'll see what side he is pushing.
Wrong-o. If you had investigated before you wrote you would know that Hank does not say that he is undediced or unconvinced on this issue. Moreover, Hank clearly does not feel the need to be "diplomatic" on any number of issues where "few agree", such as when he says hat there is NO Biblical warrant for teaching "the rapture" as it is taught by Tim LeHaye, Chuck Smith and numerous other pastors. So while your statements may sound 'nice', they turn out not to be based in truth if one actually measures them against what Hank himself actually says/does on his show.logos_x said:Could be he recognizes that few agree on this issue so he is being as "diplomatic" as possible. Maybe he himself is undecided or unconvinced either way.
It's a while since I've been able to catch an entire Bible Answer Man broadcast. I'll try to catch more of his broadcasts.ItIsWritten said:You have to watch and listen VERY carefully. If you call and ask him he will REFUSE to give you a straight answer on this, because he wants the money that he can get from the young earthers and doesn't want the heat that coming out of the closet on this would cost, especially since he is already hurting from coming out of the closet on his Jesus-returned-in-70AD "in vindication and exaultation" 'partial preterist' (but call it something different) position.
ASK him, you won't get any answer except that it is "permitted within the pale" to believe either. Listen to the WAY he speaks about the young earthers (such as "WOODEN literalists") but more important, watch who's books he elects to push and the postion of all the guests that he elects to have on any broadcasts related to this topic and you'll see what side he is pushing.
ItIsWritten said:Wrong-o. If you had investigated before you wrote you would know that Hank does not say that he is undediced or unconvinced on this issue. Moreover, Hank clearly does not feel the need to be "diplomatic" on any number of issues where "few agree", such as when he says hat there is NO Biblical warrant for teaching "the rapture" as it is taught by Tim LeHaye, Chuck Smith and numerous other pastors. So while your statements may sound 'nice', they turn out not to be based in truth if one actually measures them against what Hank himself actually says/does on his show.
Listen to him talk ON THIS ISSUE or you call him up and ask him HIS POSITION and them you come back post somthing based on reality.