How the Gospel Works

[Robert Pate]

Why would God give the Holy Spirit to someone who is already "in Christ"?

No one is in Christ until they receive Christ as their savior. How God sees things and how we see things are not the same.

 

[Cross Reference]

First thing that you have to do is find out what the Gospel is.

Didn't I read words from you to the effect, I am not capable of coming to God because "I hate Him"; my natural inclinations are set against Him; of myself, I don't want to "come to God"? In a word, I am "depraved"? So how does that change if I am incapable of being interested in what is the gospel? And you say what? That faith is a gift? My Bible reads God gives gifts to those who love Him and not those who hate Him. Those He simply forgets.

 

[Cross Reference]

No one is in Christ until they receive Christ as their savior. How God sees things and how we see things are not the same.

How 'bout it being: No one is in Christ until they receive Christ as their Lord? That would change the qualification, don't you suppose?

 

[Cross Reference]

Right, But nothing is yours until it is received by faith. As far as God is concerned sin, death and the devil have been abolished and Jesus is the "Lord of Lords and the King of Kings" Revelation 19:16.

Why then is the devil still in operation? There is a valid answer.

 

[Cross Reference]

Why would God give the Holy Spirit to someone who is already "in Christ"?

Why would you suppose God would permit the Devil to tempt Jesus, especially if one believes He was God at the time?

 

[Cross Reference]

Grace is not free because it cost Jesus everything.

Salvation is a free gift from God. It cannot be earned or deserved, Romans 5:15-18.

What you believe is not Christian is Christian. You are trying to be good enough to merit salvation.

But you said that faith was a gift. So then I must first be gifted faith to believe for salvation which is also a gift. Do I have that right? How then do I receive the gift of faith when I cannot believe for it? Please explain?

 

[Cross Reference]

The minute that a sinner comes to Christ to be saved by him he receives the Holy Spirit. He is also justified, sanctified and redeemed, 1 Corinthians 1:30. God then places him in Christ and only sees him in Christ, Colossians 3:3.

Legally that might be so. However, Are you not speaking of something that is "unmerited"? Is the Holy Spirit needed for what you are discribing as a legal "event"?

 

[Cross Reference]

Salvation is a free gift from God. It cost us nothing, but it cost Jesus Christ everything.

And your gratitude is shown how, by presumptuously living out your life as usual or questioning it that God might favor with you? I would hope the latter.

 

[Samie]

The minute that a sinner comes to Christ to be saved by him he receives the Holy Spirit. He is also justified, sanctified and redeemed, 1 Corinthians 1:30. God then places him in Christ and only sees him in Christ, Colossians 3:3.

Sorry, but your brand of gospel is laced with an impurity - that people are born in sin, hence born NOT in Christ, and therefore born APART from Him Who said apart from Him, man can do NOTHING (John 15:5).

So, can you explain how man can do the acts of COMING & RECEIVING while yet apart from Christ?

 

[Cross Reference]

Sorry, but your brand of gospel is laced with an impurity - that people are born in sin, hence born NOT in Christ, and therefore born APART from Him Who said apart from Him, man can do NOTHING (John 15:5).

So, can you explain how man can do the acts of COMING & RECEIVING while yet apart from Christ?

Question: When are they born in Christ? Just askin'.