How do you defend yourself against people who will blow themselves up to kill you?

[rexlunae]

Leftists know this as well as anyone. They just don't care.

What was Dylann Roof?

 

[JudgeRightly]

That has nothing to do with it. You want to target the most dangerous demographic? You aren't even focusing on the most useful variable. Sure, there are Muslims who commit acts of terror. There are also Christians who do the same. And atheists. And everything else. You know what the most common trait is? Gender. Nearly all of them are men.

What is the ratio of Muslim to Christian terrorists? Do you know? I imagine that the ones who are Muslim FAR outnumber the ones who are Christian, exponentially, perhaps.

 

[ClimateSanity]

Men?

Narrow it down a bit. Muslim men. Unfair? Maybe. Find the common denominator in all the terrorists. They have not assimilated. They are subject to jihad indoctrination. They are not educated. They are relatively poor.

Try something like this: anyone whose web activity is heavy into jihadism is subject to intense FBI scrutiny and if more indoctrination is discovered with that scrutiny, then wiretaps are to be granted. All communication is watched 24/7 including person to person communication in houses and mosques. As soon as plotting terrorism is discovered, immediate arrest is undertaken.

 

[rexlunae]

What is the ratio of Muslim to Christian terrorists? Do you know?

I don't know of a specific, reliable statistic, but it depends in part on what you count. There's been a tendency to count what Muslims do as terrorism and what non-Muslims do as something else.

What statistics do you know of?

I imagine that the ones who are Muslim FAR outnumber the ones who are Christian, exponentially, perhaps.

Why is that?

 

[rexlunae]

Narrow it down a bit. Muslim men. Unfair? Maybe. Find the common denominator in all the terrorists.

Certainly, there have been many examples of Christian terrorism in the US in even just the last year. It would be wrong to exclude them from consideration, don't you think?

They have not assimilated. They are subject to jihad indoctrination. They are not educated. They are relatively poor.

True of some, not nearly all.

Try something like this: anyone whose web activity is heavy into jihadism is subject to intense FBI scrutiny and if more indoctrination is discovered with that scrutiny, then wiretaps are to be granted. All communication is watched 24/7 including person to person communication in houses and mosques. As soon as plotting terrorism is discovered, immediate arrest is undertaken.

In other words, suspend the Bill of Rights. For everyone, or just those you've judged a threat? Are you prepared to face the same if people consider you to be a threat?

Also, how do you conduct the initial dragnet to find those whose web activity is "heavy into jihadism"?

 

[Ktoyou]

What is the ratio of Muslim to Christian terrorists? Do you know? I imagine that the ones who are Muslim FAR outnumber the ones who are Christian, exponentially, perhaps.

Yes, many Muslims are hateful and jealous of western society, even more so than they hate Christianity, although they hide their true motives.

 

[ClimateSanity]

Certainly, there have been many examples of Christian terrorism in the US in even just the last year. It would be wrong to exclude them from consideration, don't you think?.... America hater

I haven't heard of any.

 

[ClimateSanity]

Certainly, there have been many examples of Christian terrorism in the US in even just the last year. It would be wrong to exclude them from consideration, don't you think?



True of some, not nearly all.



In other words, suspend the Bill of Rights. For everyone, or just those you've judged a threat? Are you prepared to face the same if people consider you to be a threat?

Also, how do you conduct the initial dragnet to find those whose web activity is "heavy into jihadism"?

Suspend the bill of rights to those who have a tendency to terrorize us? Damn straight.

 

[ClimateSanity]

Certainly, there have been many examples of Christian terrorism in the US in even just the last year. It would be wrong to exclude them from consideration, don't you think?



True of some, not nearly all.



In other words, suspend the Bill of Rights. For everyone, or just those you've judged a threat? Are you prepared to face the same if people consider you to be a threat?

Also, how do you conduct the initial dragnet to find those whose web activity is "heavy into jihadism"?

I'm not in a subgroup of people known for hatred of America and terrorism. No worries.

 

[dodge]

Suspend the bill of rights to those who have a tendency to terrorize us? Damn straight.

Better yet do NOT bring them to America !

Only stupid people invite people to their countries that KNOW those same people want to and will kill you.

 

[ClimateSanity]

Find the common denominator in all the terrorists. They have not assimilated. They are subject to jihad indoctrination. They are not educated. They are relatively poor....CS

True of some, not nearly all... America hater.

Name one muslim terrorist for whom that doesn't fit the bill.

 

[musterion]

Suicide bomber ID'd as Salman Abedi, 23, son of Libyan immigrants.

 

[ClimateSanity]

Also, how do you conduct the initial dragnet to find those whose web activity is "heavy into jihadism"?...America hater.

The FBI already surveils the internet. Just watch who frequent these websites. They are already doing this to conservatives because they view us as more of a threat than the jihadists.

 

[ClimateSanity]

Suicide bomber ID'd as Salman Abedi, 23, son of Libyan immigrants.

And he fits my earlier description huh?

 

[Nihilo]

Note the article's own note: "...Islamist terrorist attacks that have received significant press coverage...." So if they did not receive whatever they mean by "significant press coverage," then they're not included.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks#2017

Note also:

The page "List of christian terrorist attacks" does not exist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.ph...h&go=Go&searchToken=2o7e5yc54uxwy8zma9i90msad

 

[JudgeRightly]

I don't know of a specific, reliable statistic, but it depends in part on what you count.

Well, let's just consider all acts of terrorism from 9-11-2001 to the present, comparing Christian acts of terrorism to Muslim acts of terrorism.

Perhaps you could share the articles/stories/instances of those (since 9/11/01) who are Christian who have committed acts of terrorism, and I'll present the ones who are Muslim who have committed acts of terrorism, and we can cross-examine them, and determine which side has more. I'll start:

www.thereligionofpeace.com

Your turn.

There's been a tendency to count what Muslims do as terrorism and what non-Muslims do as something else.

Perhaps you could define terrorism for us, and then we'll go by your definition. Sound good?

What statistics do you know of?

Lets determine this in this thread.

Why is that?

Well, consider the nature of each religion. Judeo-Christianity (and the Bible) overall tells people that God loves them and that they should live peaceably with their neighbor.

Islamists (and the Quran) tells it's followers to make peace with those who are under Islam, but to forcibly convert those who are not, and if they refuse, or convert away from Islam, to kill or enslave them.

Certainly, there have been many examples of Christian terrorism in the US in even just the last year. It would be wrong to exclude them from consideration, don't you think?

Go ahead and name them. Let's examine them.

True of some, not nearly all.

In other words, suspend the Bill of Rights. For everyone, or just those you've judged a threat? Are you prepared to face the same if people consider you to be a threat?

A criminal does not have the rights of law abiding citizens. Why would you suggest otherwise?

He does have the right to a fair and speedy trial, and a swift punishment for crime committed. If the crime is not deserving of death, once the criminal is punished, then and only then does he regain his rights.

I'd like to ask you, who gives humans their rights?

 

[Rusha]

A criminal does not have the rights of law abiding citizens. Why would you suggest otherwise?

He didn't. He is suggesting that one is NOT a criminal based on racial or religious profiling ... as has been suggested here:

We need to start racial and religious profiling and put safety first like the Israelis do

 

[eider]

We need to start racial and religious profiling and put safety first like the Israelis do

That'll be difficult, because you have some very close friends in the Mid-East.
That'll be difficult, because the USA would start to look like a racially and religiously bigoted Nation, which it is not. The USA is composed of hundreds of (past) nationalities, cultures, religions, colours, races, creeds etc........

 

[eider]

False analogy.

The Irish wanted you out.

Wrong. The Irish were struggling against the Irish. Go walk the streets of Belfast (virtually in Google). Go look at the Murals. You might learn something about how many sections were battling against each other.
We often wondered whether US citizens knew whose buckets they were throwing their dollars into, and of course many didn't have a clue, they just thought like you.
And US donations were helping to build....... Bombs!

The Mohammedans want in.

Muslims...... they're Muslims.... and they have been in for 80-90 years or more.

Higher than yours, from the looks of it.

Thank goodness there aren't too many with your mindset in power in the US.

 

[eider]

The best way to keep suicide bombers out is to keep Muslims out of America. The best defense is do not bring the murders into your country.

So you'd throw hundreds of thousands of innocents out of the US? In the UK we think that mindset is a bit...... radical, but that's not the name we use.