Hey everyone, I'm Dan.

[chatmaggot]

Because the term "homo" to refer to a homosexual is notably derogatory in modern culture. You may think it's fine to refer to African Americans as the "N word", but political culture shows that in our society it is not.

Would you say that adhering to the political culture of a society is some sort of fundamental guideline by which you live?

 

[The Berean]

To Berean,

A child molester is someone who sexually abuses children. A pedophile is someone who is sexually attracted to children. Many pedophiles manage to resist the urges and would never lay a hand on a child in an inappropriate manner. Saying that all pedophiles are child molesters is like saying that all gun-owners are murderers.

Did I say all pedophiles are child molesters? Your analogy is flawed anyway. There are may definitions of a pedophile. In my view a person isn't a pedophile until they act on it. If I were to think or desire to murder someone does that make me a murderer? No, it does not. I am not a murderer until I actually kill someone.

 

[El DLo]

Why should someone adhere to your definition of "self-control"?

Where can I find these "values" you speak of?

Someone should adhere to self-control because even without a religious guideline to live by, there's still a political one that citizens of any given country are expected to abide by.

As for where you can find values? Certainly not in a book.

 

[El DLo]

Did I say all pedophiles are child molesters? Your analogy is flawed anyway. There are may definitions of a pedophile. In my view a person isn't a pedophile until they act on it. If I were to think or desire to murder someone does that make me a murderer? No, it does not. I am not a murderer until I actually kill someone.

pedophilia
One entry found.

Main Entry: pe·do·phil·ia
Pronunciation: \ˌpe-də-ˈfi-lē-ə, ˈpē-\
Function: noun
Etymology: New Latin
Date: 1906

: sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object

— pe·do·phil·i·ac \-ˈfi-lē-ˌak\ or pe·do·phil·ic \-ˈfi-lik\ adjective

That's a direct quote from Webster's Online. A pretty reputable source if I must say so.

The official definition is someone who is sexually attracted to children. There's no loose interpretation here.

 

[The Berean]

You may think it's fine to refer to African Americans as the "N word", but political culture shows that in our society it is not.

It's not? Then you must not listen to much gangsta rap music or watch shows like "The Boondocks". They through out that word out like it's nobody's business.

 

[allsmiles]

When the middle class is destroyed President Obama will still be a millionaire living in a million plus mansion in an exclusive neighborhood in Chicago. This poor boy has a Harvard education and is a world traveler of some renown. He is conversant with several religions and is held in high repute in Illinois political circles. Socialism is available to you already, ELSEWHERE! He hasn't achieved any of the golden promises of the campaign trail. You are a young fool! bybee

Young fools have a chance to change. I once heard something about old dogs and new tricks...:think:

That Obama hasn't changed everything for the better within one year of his first term isn't a surprise and it's dishonest to portray the protracted repair of our country as a negative. Obama has never said any of the damage control he would be undertaking would be easy or come quickly. He has reiterated time and again that it's going to take a lot of hard work over a long period of time. He's very long term oriented and I think that if you look back to his campaign promises you'll find that many of his ideas span much further into the future than the duration of his presidency.

 

[The Berean]

That's a direct quote from Webster's Online. A pretty reputable source if I must say so.

The official definition is someone who is sexually attracted to children. There's no loose interpretation here.

Oh goodie, I can play the Internet link game, too.

From the wikipedia page, the very first sentence.

The term pedophilia (or paedophilia) has a range of definitions as found in psychiatry, psychology, law enforcement, and the vernacular.

and down the page it says this.

In law enforcement, the term "pedophile" is generally used to describe those convicted of child sexual abuse or the sexual abuse of a minor, including both prepubescent children and pubescent or post-pubescent adolescents

 

[El DLo]

It's not? Then you must not listen to much gangsta rap music or watch shows like "The Boondocks". They through out that word out like it's nobody's business.

You need to look at the context. It is politically incorrect for someone that is not an African American to refer to one by that word.

 

[The Berean]

It's quite possible that he is.

Like I said we have no way of knowing.

Christians are no more or less upright in their dealings than atheists are.

That's probably true.

 

[El DLo]

Oh goodie, I can play the Internet link game, too.

From the wikipedia page, the very first sentence.

Keep reading. There's one mention that pedophilia has AT TIMES been used to refer to the actual acts of molestation. But from a legal standpoint a pedophile and a child molester are two very different things.

By the way, Webster's is a slightly more reputable source than Wikipedia.

Edit: Looking at your addition to your post, the convicted people ARE pedophiles, but they are also child molesters. Not all pedophiles are child molesters.

 

[chatmaggot]

Someone should adhere to self-control...

Say's who?

If someone doesn't adhere to self-control, then should there be consequences? What if someone's idea of self-control is different from your view of self-control?

For someone who lives by what their experiences and perceptions and who respects all beliefs you sure have a lot of "should's" and "ought to's" and "should not's".

 

[The Berean]

You need to look at the context. It is politically incorrect for someone that is not an African American to refer to one by that word.

Politically incorrect? Does the word's meaning change depending on the color of the person's skin? Can a biracial person use it? I'm not a black person but I am darker than some African Americans. I was even called the n-word as a child by the more light-skinned members of my ethnic group. Can I use the word? I know of an African American who is white with red hair. Can he use the word?

 

[El DLo]

The law takes care of the rest of that. Laws are in place to protect people. If someone's lack of self-control puts people at risk, then there are of course penalties.

 

[chatmaggot]

The law takes care of the rest of that. Laws are in place to protect people. If someone's lack of self-control puts people at risk, then there are of course penalties.

Should it be illegal to be homosexual?

Edit:

Should it be illegal to kill an unborn baby?

 

[El DLo]

Politically incorrect? Does the word's meaning change depending on the color of the person's skin? Can a biracial person use it? I'm not a black person but I am darker than some African Americans. I was even called the n-word as a child by the more light-skinned members of my ethnic group. Can I use the word? I know of an African American who is white with red hair. Can he use the word?

I get what you're saying, and I'm not disagreeing. If I could have it my way those words wouldn't mean anything because, after all, they're just words. I'm just detailing it the way society sees it in general.

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Should it be illegal to be homosexual?

No, because being homosexual is not harmful to anybody.

 

[The Berean]

I get what you're saying, and I'm not disagreeing. If I could have it my way those words wouldn't mean anything because, after all, they're just words. I'm just detailing it the way society sees it in general.

The best thing would be to get rid of that ugly word. Sadly, I probably won't see it happen in my lifetime.

 

[El DLo]

The best thing would be to get rid of that ugly word. Sadly, I probably won't see it happen in my lifetime.

Agreed.

 

[chatmaggot]

No, because being homosexual is not harmful to anybody.

What about he homosexual acts of intercourse? Is that harmful to anybody?

 

[El DLo]

What about he homosexual acts of intercourse? Is that harmful to anybody?

Not unless these acts of intercourse are in the form of rape, in which case it's rape and the law already takes care of that.

 

[chatmaggot]

Not unless these acts of intercourse are in the form of rape, in which case it's rape and the law already takes care of that.

If you learned that the act of homosexual intercourse was in fact harmful, would you then agree that it should be illegal?

Notice that this question is conditional. If...in fact...