Interplanner
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Sorry to all, its Jer 4:23 for the other usage of 'tohu wa-bohu.'
Genesis 1 made more sensible and scientific
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Why do lions have sharp teeth if they were originally herbivores?
No it's not. Purely Christian doctrine is rooted in the gospels. Genesis is just as, if not far more, important to the Jewish and Muslim faiths.
lifeisgood
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Genesis better be far more important to us Christians than to the Jewish and Muslims faith.
Without understanding Genesis - Malachi, the New Testament makes no sense at all.
Without understanding Genesis - Malachi, the New Testament makes no sense at all.
lifeisgood
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...Unfortunately, God doesn't give us all the details. All we can do is begin with what we do know and make reasonable inferences. I can think of several possibilities which are Biblically acceptable, but it may be that a combination of these or some other best reflects the truth.
The first is that God, in His foreknowledge, knew that soon things would change, and so He created animals with features they would need in the new economy. Or it may be that these features had some other more benign function originally.
http://www.icr.org/article/if-all-animals-were-created-plant-eaters-why-do-so/
False dichotomy.
There is more scientific value in the Bible than in three years of university study.
The fear of God is the beginning of understanding.
I'm not yet up to his level.
Why don't you have a brain if you were originally supposed to think?
Therefore... something. :idunno:
Thank you for that link. But I see this whole pre-sin world where everyone gets along and eats plants (which themselves actually can feel and suffer, something that was only discovered in the past decade) as pure metaphor. Besides the fact that there just cannot possibly be enough plant matter for all creatures on Earth at any given time in history to subsist on, it aims to provide a lesson. It doesn't seem to be meant literally
ooohhh....BURN
6days
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Sorry Kdall but that simply is showing your ignorance. Genesis is foundational to doctrines of God, Christ, Satan, man, sin salvation and more. We know its important to our faith because Christ referred to Genesis as absolute truth more than He referred to other OT passages.
I think you missed my point. Genesis is foundational to all three major monotheistic religions, however the gospels are only foundational to one. I'm assuming you know which one that is
6days
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You are chasing your tail it seems?
I had said...."However the doctrine of salvation is rooted in the first couple books of Genesis. Actually, all Christian doctrine is rooted in Genesis."
You replied that 'It isn't'
Now you are saying it is foundational to Christianity and more.
All is not rooted in Genesis. As stated earlier, much is rooted in the gospels. I'd say most
I stand by my statement. The gospels are the foundation upon which the Christian religion is built. Without them, the Christian religion isn't any different than Judaism. Therefore, Christianity is rooted firmly in the gospels as well as in the OT.
Interpreting the text of the Genesis creation story shouldn't be restricted by presuppositions about Christology and Soteriology that had not bearing at that point in history.
Ben Masada
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Genesis 1 Made More Sensible and Scientific!
I agree that Genesis 1:3 is very sensible and scientific if we consider the metaphorical point of light. "The Lord said, 'Let there be light and there was light.'" If we read about the Essenes Theology, the world is divided between the children of light and the children of darkness.
First, there was darkness and the Lord said, "Let there be light, and there was light." Genesis 1:3 was the very first prophecy about the rise of Israel from the loins of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. But, till then, spiritual darkness was all over the earth. Hence, the Flood was necessary as Abraham, Isaac and Jacob had not risen yet. Soon after the Flood the Lord promised Noah that He would never strike Mankind again with another universal catastrophe of the size of the Flood as long as the laws of Nature functioned properly. (Genesis 8:21,22)
The "Let there be light" of Genesis 1:3 was in fulfillment with the rise of Israel. Jeremiah read that text and connected it with Israel by saying that the natural laws would function properly as long as Israel remained as a People before the Lord forever. (Jeremiah 31:35-37) Isaiah must also have read that text of Genesis 1:3 and said that Israel had been assigned as light unto the nations. (Isaiah 42:6) Last but not least, Jesus also must have read that text when he said that the Jews are the light of the world in Mat. 5:14 and that salvation comes from the Jews. Universal salvation there is. John 4:22. That's how Genesis 1:3 is made more sensible and scientific.
I agree that Genesis 1:3 is very sensible and scientific if we consider the metaphorical point of light. "The Lord said, 'Let there be light and there was light.'" If we read about the Essenes Theology, the world is divided between the children of light and the children of darkness.
First, there was darkness and the Lord said, "Let there be light, and there was light." Genesis 1:3 was the very first prophecy about the rise of Israel from the loins of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. But, till then, spiritual darkness was all over the earth. Hence, the Flood was necessary as Abraham, Isaac and Jacob had not risen yet. Soon after the Flood the Lord promised Noah that He would never strike Mankind again with another universal catastrophe of the size of the Flood as long as the laws of Nature functioned properly. (Genesis 8:21,22)
The "Let there be light" of Genesis 1:3 was in fulfillment with the rise of Israel. Jeremiah read that text and connected it with Israel by saying that the natural laws would function properly as long as Israel remained as a People before the Lord forever. (Jeremiah 31:35-37) Isaiah must also have read that text of Genesis 1:3 and said that Israel had been assigned as light unto the nations. (Isaiah 42:6) Last but not least, Jesus also must have read that text when he said that the Jews are the light of the world in Mat. 5:14 and that salvation comes from the Jews. Universal salvation there is. John 4:22. That's how Genesis 1:3 is made more sensible and scientific.
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The speculation that Eves sin brought death to all mankind as opposed to her and her mate Adam, who also deliberately sined in order to share Eves fate, is the basis for the confusion. Death is normal for man, it's been around for hundreds of millions of years since the death of the first organisms of evolution. Only those who "translate" are spared natural death. But even then their bodies are consumed by flames.
Genesis was created by the Hebrew priest in Babylon for an Israelite audience. Without knowing any better they assumed Adam and Eve were the first humans on earth, so they wrote a story about themselves connected to Adam. The ancient story of Adam and Eve was prominent within Mesopotamian lore, the Hebrews grafted it into their all important blood lines and religious authority. It's a fragmented and garbled mess.
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themuzicman
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Great book on genesis 1
Great companion to that book
These are done by an evangelical Old Testament Scholar, and are a much better explanation.
Great companion to that book
These are done by an evangelical Old Testament Scholar, and are a much better explanation.
It's much simpler to understand what the "light" was referring to in Genesis 1:3 if we read the verse in its context. The writer plainly said that God called the light "day" and that it was opposite of "darkness" and caused "evening and morning" (Genesis 1:4-5). This means it was simply referring to sunlight (Genesis 1:14-18).