Geert Gets A Boost From Recep!

[ok doser]

for those of you unfamiliar with the lovely (if odd) couple:

Geert Wilders (Dutch pronunciation: [ˈɣeːrt ˈʋɪldərs]; born 6 September 1963) is a Dutch politician who is the founder and leader of the Party for Freedom (Partij voor de Vrijheid - PVV).[1][2] Wilders is the parliamentary group leader of his party in the Dutch House of Representatives. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geert_Wilders

Recep Tayyip Erdoğan (Turkish pronunciation: [ɾeˈd͡ʒep tɑjˈjip ˈæɾdo(ɰ)ɑn] ( listen); born 26 February 1954) is a Turkish politician who has been the President of Turkey since 2014. He previously served as the Prime Minister of Turkey from 2003 to 2014 and as the Mayor of Istanbul from 1994 to 1998. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recep_Tayyip_Erdoğan

 

[ok doser]

What's new?

well, in the language of the liberal press (BBC, CBC, etc):

Geert Wilders, neo-nazi islamophobic white nationalist contender for the PM in the Dutch elections scheduled for tomorrow has seen a huge boost in the polls from the controversial decision by the current Dutch PM Mark Rutte to expel Turkey's Minister For Supporting Facist Home Policies by blablablablabla...

here, read this for an idea of what's going on in the EU and why Britain was right to bail out:

Turkey threatens severe retaliation against the Netherlands as diplomatic crisis escalates Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte condemns 'bizarre, irresponsible and unacceptable' behaviour Riot police using mounted charges and water cannons to disperse protestors in Rotterdam; a Turkish minister expelled after trying to enter her country’s consulate in the city; Ankara expressing outrage and threatening severe retaliation. The diplomatic crisis between the Netherlands and the government of Recep Tayyip Erdogan, which has blown up so suddenly continues to escalate swiftly. There is no sign at present of the situation defusing. In Ankara, Prime Minister Binali Yildirim reiterated that “strong countermeasures” will be taken. The homes of the Dutch ambassador and senior diplomats were sealed off in what was described as security measures. In the Hague, the Netherlands Prime Minister, Mark Rutte, condemned Turkey’s behaviour as “bizarre, irresponsible and unacceptable.” The current confrontation started with the refusal of the Dutch government to allow Mevlüt Cavusoglu, the Turkish foreign minister, to come to the country in order to address a campaign rally in support of President Erdogan in Turkey’s referendum next month. However, the Turkish family affairs minister, Fatma Betül Sayan Kaya, arrived unannounced, to be detained and then expelled amid recriminations and accusations. The referendum in question is about concentrating sweeping new powers into the hands of Mr Erdogan, a process which started in the aftermath of last year’s attempted coup. The opposition is effectively hamstrung with MPs, journalists and activists among those detained.

 

[ok doser]

and the analysis that the talking heads (well, talking voices - i only get the radio version) made last night is that this bizarre move by Erdogan is sure to weaken Rutte and sweep Wilders into power, which will mean the end of western civilization as we know it because Wilders is worse than Hitler. He's even worse than Trump.

So, lots of running around waving their hands in the air and angst.

whoever has the market cornered on puppies and play-doh is gonna make a killing

 

[ok doser]

Speaking of the Brexit, the discussion last night also covered the near certainty of a referendum on Scottish independence, because they'd rather stay with the EU than stinky old england, and the very real possibility of Ireland following suit

 

[ok doser]

btw, heeeeeeere's Geert!

Somebody has to be making a bobblehead doll of that :chuckle:

 

[ok doser]

from the Kuwait Times:

Erdogan riles Dutch with jibes, threatens further retaliation http://news.kuwaittimes.net/website/erdogan-riles-dutch-jibes-threatens-retaliation/

and a quick run through the monty python translator and we get....

 

[kmoney]

I don't really understand the conflict or why it has blown up so much.

The current confrontation started with the refusal of the Dutch government to allow Mevlüt Cavusoglu, the Turkish foreign minister, to come to the country in order to address a campaign rally in support of President Erdogan in Turkey’s referendum next month.

Is the part in bold a normal thing?
Did the Dutch stop him because they don't like the referendum? Or because they don't like a foreign minister coming to their country for a campaign rally at all?

And is the Dutch action really something that deserves sanctions?

 

[ok doser]

Is the part in bold a normal thing?

seems likely - there's a lot of foreign guest workers in the wealthier eu countries that retain ties to home

Did the Dutch stop him because they don't like the referendum? Or because they don't like a foreign minister coming to their country for a campaign rally at all?

apparently rutte didn't want the press coverage of turk rallies stirring the pot right before the dutch election - it's a touchy subject - imagine if Nieto had tried to do something similar on november 1st last year

And is the Dutch action really something that deserves sanctions?

wouldn't think so, but they're pretty techy, them Europeans - hard to predict what they'll do


heck, a hundred years ago it only took shooting one lousy archduke and the whole continent went up in flames

 

[aCultureWarrior]

It appears that Geert Wilders and his Freedom Party have a lot in common with Donald Trump and many of his fan base.

Pro-gay and anti-Islam: rise of the Dutch far-Right

One distinctive characteristic of Wilders’ current, and of the new right-wing in the Netherlands in general, is its ambiguous attitude to the heritage of the post-’68 social movements. They are vehemently opposed to the ecological movement, and of course to anti-racism. But (verbal) support for women’s rights and those of LGBT’s as well as opposition to antisemitism have been made into markers of ‘Dutchness’ and modernity.
https://roarmag.org/essays/wilders-fortuyn-nationalism-netherlands/

Oh look, Geert parties with Milo.

Inside Milo’s “gays for Trump,” virulently anti-Islam party at the RNC
Far-right leaders Milo Yiannopoulos, Pamela Geller and Geert Wilders gave pro-Trump, pro-LGBT, anti-Muslim speeches
http://www.salon.com/2016/07/20/inside_milos_gays_for_trump_virulently_anti_islam_party_at_the_rnc/

 

[ok doser]

even the mooslim turks are pro-gay!

 

[aCultureWarrior]

fag

Why yes Geert is.

http://media.salon.com/2016/07/rnc-geert-wilders.jpeg

You have 3 options here:

1). Report me and have me banned (you can think up a good reason).
2). Close the thread.
3). Debate me as to why someone like Gert Wilders should be supported by Christians i.e. conservatives.

 

[ok doser]

Why yes Geert is.

give him a call - maybe he'll go out on a date with you

Debate me...

i wouldn't debate you if you were the last homo on the board :wave2:

 

[ok doser]

still waiting for the final poll results but so far it's not looking good for geert:

Things Are Not Looking Good for Geert Wilders and His Party in the Dutch Elections Going into today’s elections in the Netherlands, the big story was Geert Wilders. Wilders, a far-right anti-Muslim figure who lives under 24/7 police protection, ran for prime minister as head of the Party for Freedom, or PVV, which he founded in 2006. The PVV has had a major impact during its short lifespan: As the Washington Post explained, “It was the third-most-popular party in the Netherlands after the 2010 election, and it agreed to support the minority government. It remained the third-largest party after the 2012 election, although it did not support the government. Polls have suggested that it could win the largest share of votes in this year’s election.” Polls also suggested a tight race for PM between Wilders and current Prime Minister Mark Rutte, of the People’s Party for Freedom and Democracy, or VVD. But based on the first round of exit polling, the election was a setback for Wilders and his PVV. The AP reports that “Wilders had an unexpectedly poor showing … finishing far behind Prime Minister Mark Rutte.” Things weren’t much better at the parliamentary level for the PVV: “The main exit poll showed Rutte controlling 31 seats, and three parties each winning 19 — the pro-EU center party D66, the Christian Democrat CDA and the Party for Freedom of anti-Islam nationalist Geert Wilders.” http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...ing-good-for-geert-wilders-and-his-party.html

we'll know by tmorrow

this is being tied by the msm to far right nationalist movements in france and germany

 

[ok doser]

so the media (CBC, BBC, WaPo and online) are reporting:

Geert Wilders Loses!














because the media are not to be trusted

to understand better, consider:

 

[ok doser]

The Dutch pushed back against Geert Wilders’s ‘Patriotic Spring.’



In the Netherlands, the conservative, pro-market Party for Freedom and Democracy (VVD) led by incumbent Prime Minister Mark Rutte won 21 percent of the votes in Wednesday’s election, more than any of the other 27 parties on the ballot.

VVD benefited from an upswing in the polls after the prime minister took a tough stance on Turkey last weekend. On March 11, the Dutch government blocked two Turkish ministers from attending a Rotterdam rally, a move that resulted in police clashes with protesting Turkish minority groups.

In a campaign dominated by issues of immigration, integration, and identity, Rutte showed his willingness to stand up to the backlash from Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, who countered the diplomatic slight of the Turkish ministers by accusing the Dutch of permitting the 1995 Srebrenica massacre of 8,000 Bosnians.



The anti-European Union, anti-Muslim, nationalist “Dutch Trump” Geert Wilders and his Party of Freedom (PPV) received 13 percent, a distant second place. As in previous elections, Wilders fell short, and is not in a position to implement any of his controversial policies.

What happens now?


In the Netherlands, electing the 150-member parliament is only the first step. The Dutch proportional representation system allocates seats according to the national vote. The character of the next government of the Netherlands is still not known.

With no party claiming a majority, the second step in deciding who leads the country could take a few months. Parliament must now negotiate to form a coalition government that can claim a majority of at least 75 seats.

With 94 percent of the votes counted, only 13 parties earned enough votes to claim seats in Parliament. Seven of these parties received more than five seats. While the official results won’t be announced until March 21, Figure 1 below shows the anticipated changes in the Dutch Parliament.


What does a coalition look like?

In multiparty countries, the absence of a clear majority winner means parties bargain over policy and government positions until a coalition emerges that can earn the support of a majority in Parliament. In the Netherlands, once that bargaining is done, a more formal coalition agreement then names the prime minister and cabinet, which then draws up the Government’s Statement of policy priorities.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...what-you-need-to-know/?utm_term=.13b382147f98

 

[ok doser]

Wilders party is the dark blue PPV, up 5 seats or 33%

Rutte's party is the light blue VVD, down 7 seats or 18%


a few more "wins" like this and Rutte will be packing his bags


the big losers are the Labor Party, the PvdA :noway:

 

[ok doser]

i believe that to form a viable coalition government in this sort of situation, rutte will have to bargain with enough of his colleagues to form a majority

with 150 seats, Rutte will be hard pressed to form a coalition (of 76) that does not include Geert


especially considering that analysts are attributing the huge loss by the labor party as being due to their constituents dissatisfaction with their having just participated in a coalition government with Rutte

 

[rexlunae]

btw, heeeeeeere's Geert!

Somebody has to be making a bobblehead doll of that :chuckle:

If the Nazis of the 21st century have a distinctive look, it's spray-tanned and goofy-haired.

Geert was Trump before Trump was Trump, at least in terms of his attitude toward Muslims. Of course, I'm hoping his failure to win is an early sign of the tide turning, but it's really impossible to say. The French election will give a better sign.

 

[ClimateSanity]

If the Nazis of the 21st century have a distinctive look, it's spray-tanned and goofy-haired.

Geert was Trump before Trump was Trump, at least in terms of his attitude toward Muslims. Of course, I'm hoping his failure to win is an early sign of the tide turning, but it's really impossible to say. The French election will give a better sign.

What about geert or Trump defines them as a nazi?

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[rexlunae]

What about geert or Trump defines them as a nazi?

If I were to name just one thing, their irrational and baseless scapegoating of vulnerable groups to appeal tot he masses.