ECT Fundamental question: how can the one David referred to be his son?

[steko]

Were these churches part of the universal Church of God in Christ?

Act 19:30 And when Paul would have entered in unto the people, the disciples suffered him not.
Act 19:31 And certain of the chief of Asia, which were his friends, sent unto him, desiring him that he would not adventure himself into the theatre.
Act 19:32 Some therefore cried one thing, and some another: for the assembly was confused; and the more part knew not wherefore they were come together.
Act 19:39 But if ye enquire any thing concerning other matters, it shall be determined in a lawful assembly.
Act 19:40 For we are in danger to be called in question for this day's uproar, there being no cause whereby we may give an account of this concourse.
Act 19:41 And when he had thus spoken, he dismissed the assembly.

 

[dodge]

Nope



It did? Then Peter was wrong in Acts 2 where he said everything happening was the last days.....




When was it written?



I can say the same thing for you.....

No really you cannot. Scripture is plain when it comes to the gospel and MADIST have perverted that gospel by claiming there is more than ONE gospel.


Lets look at two verse that I have seen many MADist destroy the context of to prop up MAD.

1. John 3:16

For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son that WHOSOEVER believes will not perish but have ever lasting life.

Along come MADIST claiming that is only for Israel so the meaning of WORLD and WHOSOEVER has to be changed for MAD to work.


2. Acts 20:21

The Apostle Paul preached to the B.O.C. "repentance toward God".

MADist have relegated repentance as being for Israel so again the meaning of repentance has to be changed for MAD to work.

And on and on goes the merry go round of violating the context of scripture to prop up MAD.

You do know a text taken out of context is a pre-text and that is about all MAD has is a pre-text.

 

[dodge]

Were these churches part of the universal Church of God in Christ?

Act 19:30 And when Paul would have entered in unto the people, the disciples suffered him not.
Act 19:31 And certain of the chief of Asia, which were his friends, sent unto him, desiring him that he would not adventure himself into the theatre.
Act 19:32 Some therefore cried one thing, and some another: for the assembly was confused; and the more part knew not wherefore they were come together.
Act 19:39 But if ye enquire any thing concerning other matters, it shall be determined in a lawful assembly.
Act 19:40 For we are in danger to be called in question for this day's uproar, there being no cause whereby we may give an account of this concourse.
Act 19:41 And when he had thus spoken, he dismissed the assembly.

The uproar is not between churches:


24 For a certain man named Demetrius, a silversmith, which made silver shrines for Diana, brought no small gain unto the craftsmen;

25 Whom he called together with the workmen of like occupation, and said, Sirs, ye know that by this craft we have our wealth.

26 Moreover ye see and hear, that not alone at Ephesus, but almost throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands:

27 So that not only this our craft is in danger to be set at nought; but also that the temple of the great goddess Diana should be despised, and her magnificence should be destroyed, whom all Asia and the world worshippeth.

28 And when they heard these sayings, they were full of wrath, and cried out, saying, Great is Diana of the Ephesians.

29 And the whole city was filled with confusion: and having caught Gaius and Aristarchus, men of Macedonia, Paul's companions in travel, they rushed with one accord into the theatre.

30 And when Paul would have entered in unto the people, the disciples suffered him not.

31 And certain of the chief of Asia, which were his friends, sent unto him, desiring him that he would not adventure himself into the theatre.

32 Some therefore cried one thing, and some another: for the assembly was confused: and the more part knew not wherefore they were come together.

33 And they drew Alexander out of the multitude, the Jews putting him forward. And Alexander beckoned with the hand, and would have made his defence unto the people.

34 But when they knew that he was a Jew, all with one voice about the space of two hours cried out, Great is Diana of the Ephesians.

 

[steko]

The uproar is not between churches:

'assembly/ekklesia' in those verses is the same word translated as 'church/ekklesia' in other verses.

Why are these 'assemblies' not equivalent to the other 'assemblies' that are identified as Christ's church, BOC or the Church of GOD?
For after all, it's the same word...'ekklesia'. Aren't all churches the same universal church?

 

[Nang]

'assembly/ekklesia' in those verses is the same word translated as 'church/ekklesia' in other verses.

Why are these 'assemblies' not equivalent to the other 'assemblies' that are identified as Christ's church, BOC or the Church of GOD?
For after all, it's the same word...'ekklesia'. Aren't all churches the same universal church?

Context gives answer.

The true church body of Jesus Christ is spiritual, heavenly, invisible, and consists 100% of regenerated believers.

Visible assemblies are earthly and mixed with unbelievers; tares with wheat and sheep with goats.

 

[steko]

Context gives answer.

Oh, so you believe it's not the word 'church' itself that gives meaning but it's the context in which the word 'church' is used?

Yeah, I believe that, too.

 

[dodge]

'assembly/ekklesia' in those verses is the same word translated as 'church/ekklesia' in other verses.

Why are these 'assemblies' not equivalent to the other 'assemblies' that are identified as Christ's church, BOC or the Church of GOD?
For after all, it's the same word...'ekklesia'. Aren't all churches the same universal church?

It was an assembly of disgruntled Jews and makers of idols NOT hardly in the B.O.C. who most wanted Paul dead or gone.

24 For a certain man named Demetrius, a silversmith, which made silver shrines for Diana, brought no small gain unto the craftsmen;

25 Whom he called together with the workmen of like occupation, and said, Sirs, ye know that by this craft we have our wealth.

26 Moreover ye see and hear, that not alone at Ephesus, but almost throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands:

27 So that not only this our craft is in danger to be set at nought; but also that the temple of the great goddess Diana should be despised, and her magnificence should be destroyed, whom all Asia and the world worshippeth.

28 And when they heard these sayings, they were full of wrath, and cried out, saying, Great is Diana of the Ephesians.

29 And the whole city was filled with confusion: and having caught Gaius and Aristarchus, men of Macedonia, Paul's companions in travel, they rushed with one accord into the theatre.

30 And when Paul would have entered in unto the people, the disciples suffered him not.

31 And certain of the chief of Asia, which were his friends, sent unto him, desiring him that he would not adventure himself into the theatre.

32 Some therefore cried one thing, and some another: for the assembly was confused: and the more part knew not wherefore they were come together.

33 And they drew Alexander out of the multitude, the Jews putting him forward. And Alexander beckoned with the hand, and would have made his defence unto the people.

34 But when they knew that he was a Jew, all with one voice about the space of two hours cried out, Great is Diana of the Ephesians.

 

[drbrumley]

The church existed in, by, through, was paid for by Jesus' sacrifice, resurrection, and ascension long before Paul was ever stopped from jailing and having Christians killed.

Read Hebrews many OT saints were in the B.O.C. long before Pentecost.

1Pe 3:18
¶
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us[fn] to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit,

1Pe 3:19
by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison,

Yeah, just one issue with that.

Matthew 16:18 That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

 

[steko]

It was an assembly of disgruntled Jews and makers of idols NOT hardly in the B.O.C. who most wanted Paul dead or gone.
.

But the English word 'assembly' is 'ekklesia' in Greek.

'ekklesia' is translated to the English word 'church'.

What those verses describe is a 'church'.

I've been told that every time the word 'church' is used in Scripture, it's always referring to the same BOC.

So, how could those verses not be talking about the BOC?

 

[drbrumley]

Yes. Absolutely!

All the saints listed in Hebrews Chapter 11 are part of the church body of Christ, because of the gift of faith.

As I posted for Dodge, I will declare to you the same thing.....

Yeah, just one issue with that.

Matthew 16:18 That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

 

[dodge]

Yeah, just one issue with that.

Matthew 16:18 That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Only issue is one you created out of nothing.

That does not change the context of:

1Pe 3:19
by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison,

Build as in increase not start!

We know the foundation is Jesus and Peter was but a little pebble (Petros) according to scripture.

 

[Nang]

As I posted for Dodge, I will declare to you the same thing.....

And your point is . . .?

 

[dodge]

But the English word 'assembly' is 'ekklesia' in Greek.

'ekklesia' is translated to the English word 'church'.

What those verses describe is a 'church'.

I've been told that every time the word 'church' is used in Scripture, it's always referring to the same BOC.

So, how could those verses not be talking about the BOC?

Not in this case look at the whole chapter to see who was in that assembly. The main participants were people mad at Paul for preaching Christ Jesus who were afraid of losing their of building trinkets to Diana.

 

[steko]

Not in this case look at the whole chapter to see who was in that assembly. The main participants were people mad at Paul for preaching Christ Jesus who were afraid of losing their of building trinkets to Diana.

So should we conclude that every time we find the word 'ekklesia/church/assembly' in the Bible that it's not always necessarily referring to the same 'assembly/church'. but that the context should inform us as to what 'assembly' is being spoken of?

 

[dodge]

But the English word 'assembly' is 'ekklesia' in Greek.

'ekklesia' is translated to the English word 'church'.

What those verses describe is a 'church'.

I've been told that every time the word 'church' is used in Scripture, it's always referring to the same BOC.

So, how could those verses not be talking about the BOC?

This was NOT a meeting of the B.O.C. nor a church it was a civil meeting of a gathering of the towns people who was mad at Paul for threatening their business of making idols to Diana.


29 And the whole city was filled with confusion: and having caught Gaius and Aristarchus, men of Macedonia, Paul's companions in travel, they rushed with one accord into the theatre.

30 And when Paul would have entered in unto the people, the disciples suffered him not.

31 And certain of the chief of Asia, which were his friends, sent unto him, desiring him that he would not adventure himself into the theatre.

32 Some therefore cried one thing, and some another: for the assembly was confused: and the more part knew not wherefore they were come together.

33 And they drew Alexander out of the multitude, the Jews putting him forward. And Alexander beckoned with the hand, and would have made his defence unto the people.

34 But when they knew that he was a Jew, all with one voice about the space of two hours cried out, Great is Diana of the Ephesians.

35 And when the townclerk had appeased the people, he said, Ye men of Ephesus, what man is there that knoweth not how that the city of the Ephesians is a worshipper of the great goddess Diana, and of the image which fell down from Jupiter?

36 Seeing then that these things cannot be spoken against, ye ought to be quiet, and to do nothing rashly.

37 For ye have brought hither these men, which are neither robbers of churches, nor yet blasphemers of your goddess.

38 Wherefore if Demetrius, and the craftsmen which are with him, have a matter against any man, the law is open, and there are deputies: let them implead one another.

39 But if ye enquire any thing concerning other matters, it shall be determined in a lawful assembly.

40 For we are in danger to be called in question for this day's uproar, there being no cause whereby we may give an account of this concourse.

41 And when he had thus spoken, he dismissed the assembly.

 

[Nang]

Reformed teaching makes contextual distinction between visible (earthly) ekklesia and THE invisible (heavenly) ekklesia

The invisible, eternal, heavenly church of Jesus Christ is His spiritual body; His bride for whom He gave Himself. Ephesians 5:23-32

The visible,churches are earthly, temporal, and mixed with ungodly souls.

His Kingdom is not of this world, even though many religionists claim to represent His name.

 

[Nang]

Dodge,

It is almost impossible to have spiritual communication with literalists.

 

[drbrumley]

Only issue is one you created out of nothing.

That does not change the context of:

1Pe 3:19
by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison,

Build as in increase not start!

We know the foundation is Jesus and Peter was but a little pebble (Petros) according to scripture.

And? We can agree he is adding...

so......once again, you have no point or answer....

 

[drbrumley]

Dodge,

It is almost impossible to have spiritual communication with literalists.

Now that is classic Nang.......

 

[Lazy afternoon]

The Body of Christ began with Jesus, was added to by the 120 and then the 3000.

To say the body of Christ began through Paul is a lie.

Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Luk 24:48 And ye are witnesses of these things.
Luk 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

Act 1:3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
Act 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Madists are not born into the Kingdom of which Christ taught of.

LA