evil capitalism

[republicanchick]

Hey, capitalism unchecked is not a good thing. But capitalism per se is far from the greatest "evil" in the world, if you can call it evil at all.

I love the greedy capitalists. They provide JOBS. They give us all something to wear, something to drive, something to call our friends on (phones), and etc. They invent new things to make our lives easier (but hopefully our lives don't get so easy we forget we need God).

It is the sexually immoral that are the biggest problem in America.

I would rather deal with a greedy person who wants more money than someone who wants to use the opposite sex for gratification, watches porn, votes against pro life candidates...


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[Nick M]

So Tiger Woods is better than....wait. Never mind.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Hey, capitalism unchecked is not a good thing. But capitalism per se is far from the greatest "evil" in the world, if you can call it evil at all.

In the context that you're using "capitalist" in, I assume that you're speaking of the Judeo-Christian based free enterprise system of government.

All countries are "capitalist", as a capitalist is someone who uses...

capital.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/capital

 

[csuguy]

A greedy person is infatuated with money and will choose to harm others, directly or indirectly to get it. They will cut corners, find ways to make you addicted to junk you don't need, destroy the environment, or outright engage in criminal behaviour to get what they want. There have been numerous causalities to worshipers of the dollar.

One who loves money and serves it cannot serve God. If you love God then you cannot love capitalism - it goes against God's ways. And visa-versa.

 

[shagster01]

Hey, capitalism unchecked is not a good thing. But capitalism per se is far from the greatest "evil" in the world, if you can call it evil at all.

I love the greedy capitalists. They provide JOBS. They give us all something to wear, something to drive, something to call our friends on (phones), and etc. They invent new things to make our lives easier (but hopefully our lives don't get so easy we forget we need God).

It is the sexually immoral that are the biggest problem in America.

I would rather deal with a greedy person who wants more money than someone who wants to use the opposite sex for gratification, watches porn, votes against pro life candidates...


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Are you suggesting that "greedy capitalists" are all straight, moral, pro-lifers?

 

[aCultureWarrior]

A greedy person is infatuated with money and will choose to harm others, directly or indirectly to get it. They will cut corners, find ways to make you addicted to junk you don't need, destroy the environment, or outright engage in criminal behaviour to get what they want. There have been numerous causalities to worshipers of the dollar.

As the OP stated, "capitalism" [the free enterprise system of government] unchecked is a bad thing".

We have laws that deal with people who cheat and defraud others out of money and services. Don't blame the currency, blame the people who abuse it.

One who loves money and serves it cannot serve God. If you love God then you cannot love capitalism - it goes against God's ways. And visa-versa.

If a person loves money more than God, then no, you can't serve Him. BUT, money if used for things like charitable organizations, legimate businesses that employ people, etc. NEVER goes against God's ways.

 

[csuguy]

As the OP stated, "capitalism" [the free enterprise system of government] unchecked is a bad thing".

We have laws that deal with people who cheat and defraud others out of money and services. Don't blame the currency, blame the people who abuse it.



If a person loves money more than God, then no, you can't serve Him. BUT, money if used for things like charitable organizations, legimate businesses that employ people, etc. NEVER goes against God's ways.

Greed - period - is bad. Laws only work to contain greed to a ponit - if one thinks they can get away with it, or else determines that even if they caught an action is still profitable, they will do it.

Capitalism, as a philosophy, is rooted in Greed - in self-interest.

You are correct to say that money in of itself is not evil, that it depends upon the individuals perspectives, values, and decisions. However, A Christian should recognize that the Capitalist Philosophy is completely contradictory to the ways of God. Even if money is used to do good - if it is acquired through sinful means - of what value is that to God? You are robbing Peter to pay Paul.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Greed - period - is bad. Laws only work to contain greed to a ponit - if one thinks they can get away with it, or else determines that even if they caught an action is still profitable, they will do it.

Greed is a subjective word, as it means different things to different people. For instance, the person that works hard (and honestly) to accumulate wealth obviously in your mind is greedy, but you have no idea why he's accumulating that wealth.

Besides, if this person is helping others through his honest business practices (employing others), how can his greed (if he truly is) be "bad"?

Capitalism, as a philosophy, is rooted in Greed - in self-interest.

You're speaking of the Judeo-Christian based free enterprise system of government (as I'd shown in my first post, capital is used by all nations to create businesses, so those nations by your definition would be "capitalists").

Free enterprise (with some restraints put on it by a moral government) is inherently good, because it gives people an "incentive" and "motivates" them to work hard and honest.

You are correct to say that money in of itself is not evil, that it depends upon the individuals perspectives, values, and decisions. However, A Christian should recognize that the Capitalist Philosophy is completely contradictory to the ways of God. Even if money is used to do good - if it is acquired through sinful means - of what value is that to God? You are robbing Peter to pay Paul.

It all depends on the way that money is accumulated (as you pointed out above and I put in bold). Let's say that money was given to a business owner by a federal grant, i.e. taxpayer dollars, that would literally be robbing Peter (the taxpayer) to pay Paul (the recipient of the grant), and what does God saying about stealing?

 

[Daniel1611]

I would rather deal with a greedy person who wants more money than someone who wants to use the opposite sex for gratification, watches porn, votes against pro life candidates...


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1 Timothy 6:5-11

5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.

7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.

8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.

9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.

10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.

 

[intojoy]

Hey, capitalism unchecked is not a good thing. But capitalism per se is far from the greatest "evil" in the world, if you can call it evil at all.

I love the greedy capitalists. They provide JOBS. They give us all something to wear, something to drive, something to call our friends on (phones), and etc. They invent new things to make our lives easier (but hopefully our lives don't get so easy we forget we need God).

It is the sexually immoral that are the biggest problem in America.

I would rather deal with a greedy person who wants more money than someone who wants to use the opposite sex for gratification, watches porn, votes against pro life candidates...


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Great! Send me a check.

 

[meshak]

Greed - period - is bad.

So simple isn't it?

 

[aikido7]

"You cannot love both God and mammon."

Now THAT'S clear. Jesus either said this or he didn't. You can't have it both ways.

 

[meshak]

"You cannot love both God and mammon."

Now THAT'S clear. Jesus either said this or he didn't. You can't have it both ways.

yes.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

"You cannot love both God and mammon."

Now THAT'S clear. Jesus either said this or he didn't. You can't have it both ways.

yes.

Did Jesus denounce the Book of Proverbs in the Old Testament?

Proverbs 10:4 Lazy hands make for poverty, but diligent hands bring wealth.

Colossians 3:23 And whatever you do, do it heartily, as to the Lord and not to men.

Proverbs 12:24 Diligent hands will rule, but laziness ends in forced labor.

Proverbs 12:11 Those who work their land will have abundant food, but those who chase fantasies have no sense.

Proverbs 14:23 All hard work brings a profit, but mere talk leads only to poverty.

Proverbs 12:27 The lazy do not roast any game, but the diligent feed on the riches of the hunt.

Proverbs 13:4 A sluggard’s appetite is never filled, but the desires of the diligent are fully satisfied.

Either He did or He didn't, you two can't have it both ways.

 

[Quincy]

The problem is, you have some Scrooges at the helm of these corporations. They operate under the pathetic idea that more responsibility equals vastly more pay. It should be considered immoral that the top brass of a corporation make millions while they employees that make under $20,000 and by their own decision, they should cut their pay back and give everyone under them a boost. Most of them won't do that, however, so you end up liberals wanting to government to mandate redistribution. That's not the right way to go about it.

Take the President of Nintendo, Mr. Iwata, for example. His company's products have not been doing well the last few years, as far as sales go. His company was faced with operating losses and what does he do? Instead of laying off 100s of people, he takes a 50% pay cut, putting that money back into the company to save his employee's jobs. That's eastern philosophy and morality for you. That's a company ran responsibly and an example of how capitalism could work right.

Here in the west, not many CEOs or Presidents would do that. They'd sink the company, take millions out of it and bail.... err resign as it goes into bankruptcy. Those guys are a disgrace to their God, family and country.

It's not enough to just provide jobs, you have to take care of the people you employ because regardless of whatever perceived responsibility you have, those people are part of what makes the company what it is. Sure, a CEO should get paid more but not millions more. Ultra-capitalist are just like ulta-nationalist, the idea and name of the nation is more important than the people in it, same thing with these disgraceful sentient money pits and the companies they ruin. If the people who ran corporations took the time to make sure their employees where happy, motivated and satisfied with their jobs like Mr. Iwata did, then there wouldn't be a need for government intervention and redistribution of wealth.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

The problem is, you have some Scrooges at the helm of these corporations...

That was an interesting little rant there Quincy.

The truth of the matter is, if liberals like Bill Gates and other CEO's (Gates is the former CEO of MSFT) cared about the free enterprise system of government and really cared about the people whom they employ, they wouldn't be getting tax breaks from the US government for operating in slave labor countries like communist China.

 

[oatmeal]

Hey, capitalism unchecked is not a good thing. But capitalism per se is far from the greatest "evil" in the world, if you can call it evil at all.

I love the greedy capitalists. They provide JOBS. They give us all something to wear, something to drive, something to call our friends on (phones), and etc. They invent new things to make our lives easier (but hopefully our lives don't get so easy we forget we need God).

It is the sexually immoral that are the biggest problem in America.

I would rather deal with a greedy person who wants more money than someone who wants to use the opposite sex for gratification, watches porn, votes against pro life candidates...


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Capitalism is not based on greed, it is based on the desire to improve oneself and others.

Capitalism is reinvesting yourself in something that works and is beneficial

More specifically, if you have a business that is providing good things that people want and you want to do that for more people, you reinvest your profits into your business.

It is not selfish, it is giving of what is yours to improve the lives of others and yourself.

 

[Quincy]

That was an interesting little rant there Quincy.

The truth of the matter is, if liberals like Bill Gates and other CEO's (Gates is the former CEO of MSFT) cared about the free enterprise system of government and really cared about the people whom they employ, they wouldn't be getting tax breaks from the US government for operating in slave labor countries like communist China.

I doubt Bill Gates got where he is by being a moral business man who took care of his workforce down to the lowest level employee. Same with Trump, Jobs or whomever became rich on an astronomical level through business. They're disgraceful for it, yet worshipped by millions.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

I doubt Bill Gates got where he is by being a moral business man who took care of his workforce down to the lowest level employee. Same with Trump, Jobs or whomever became rich on an astronomical level through business. They're disgraceful for it, yet worshipped by millions.

Yeah, liberal Bill Gates is really a pathetic human being, be it his pro abortion stance (Daddy Gates ran Planned Parenthood here in Seattle at one time), blocking certain words like "freedom" from MSFT software sold to commie China, or investing in a fag porn company.

Corporations aren't the best example of the free enterprise system. If they had ethics, they might be.

 

[The Barbarian]

Connie writes:

The truth of the matter is, if liberals like Bill Gates and other CEO's (Gates is the former CEO of MSFT) cared about the free enterprise system of government and really cared about the people whom they employ, they wouldn't be getting tax breaks from the US government for operating in slave labor countries like communist China.

Dance with the Devil
The good news in 1929 for young MIT chemical engineer Fred Koch was that he had successfully developed a superior oil refinement process with a business partner. The bad news is that he had a bitter lesson to learn about his laissez-faire competitors when virtually every major US oil company gobsmacked him with 15 year’s worth of patent infringement lawsuits. The net effect was that one cease-and-desist order after another was issued from the judge’s bench, and until the legal process could sort itself out, Fred Koch was – for all practical purposes – aced out of the US oil market. And the bills still needed to be paid.

So what to do? Fortunately, the Unseen Hand pointed the way to Soviet Moscow, where totalitarian dictator Josef Stalin was rolling out his first Five Year Plan for sweeping industrialization. And he was especially interested in oil engineers.

“We are the world’s greatest market, and we are prepared to order a large amount of goods and pay for them,” – Josef Stalin, 1932

Fred Koch answered the call, and signed a $5 million deal in 1929 to build 15 refineries in the Soviet Socialistic Republic, thus providing a substantial wet kiss to the cause of worldwide socialism everywhere. Koch and his partner provided equipment and oversaw construction and installation, and quickly became Comrade Stalin’s number one go-to refinery contractor.

Koch Daddy Fred returned to Wichita, KS in 1933 having made $500,000 in profits through his business dealings with Josef Stalin.
http://investmentwatchblog.com/the-kochstalin-connection-where-their-wealth-started/

Durn liberals!