Emanuel Samson

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Trad, you used to be a really interesting poster here. It's sad to see you devolve back into someone just pushing racist and anti-semitic junk. :sigh:

Trad the philospher = good
Trad the white nationalist = bad
 

The Barbarian

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People who were in the church at the time of the attack said that Samson had been a member of that church.

While police have said they do not know of any connection between Samson and the church, he has previously posted on Facebook about being Christian. In February 2010, he wrote, “Ready to get Baptised:) [only ONCE,unlike sum ppl].” A day earlier, he wrote, “i dont need to change myself before i come to Christ,cause Christ came into me and CHANGED ME..” Samson was a high school senior at the time.

After graduating from high school, in May 2010, he posted about being a “devoted Christian,” and wrote that he was thinking of becoming a preacher:

http://heavy.com/news/2017/09/emanu...apel-antioch-tennessee-church-shooter-gunman/

He had, in the last few months, exhibited suicidal ideas and had become aggressive and in one instance, violent, (althugh he didn't hurt anyone at the time). His father and girl friend had reported him as being emotionally unstable.
 

patrick jane

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People who were in the church at the time of the attack said that Samson had been a member of that church.

While police have said they do not know of any connection between Samson and the church, he has previously posted on Facebook about being Christian. In February 2010, he wrote, “Ready to get Baptised:) [only ONCE,unlike sum ppl].” A day earlier, he wrote, “i dont need to change myself before i come to Christ,cause Christ came into me and CHANGED ME..” Samson was a high school senior at the time.

After graduating from high school, in May 2010, he posted about being a “devoted Christian,” and wrote that he was thinking of becoming a preacher:

http://heavy.com/news/2017/09/emanu...apel-antioch-tennessee-church-shooter-gunman/

He had, in the last few months, exhibited suicidal ideas and had become aggressive and in one instance, violent, (althugh he didn't hurt anyone at the time). His father and girl friend had reported him as being emotionally unstable.
Just another good person, a black immigrant, who became unstable after being inundated with anti-white SJW liberal rhetoric, do you see what the left creates? He attended the church a couple years ago, not a "member"
 

Arthur Brain

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Trad, you used to be a really interesting poster here. It's sad to see you devolve back into someone just pushing racist and anti-semitic junk. :sigh:

Trad the philospher = good
Trad the white nationalist = bad

His "philosophy" wasn't exactly riveting reading either Kmo. I'd sooner listen to you talk about sprouts...
 

Traditio

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Trad, you used to be a really interesting poster here. It's sad to see you devolve back into someone just pushing racist and anti-semitic junk. :sigh:

Trad the philospher = good
Trad the white nationalist = bad

As I recall, almost nobody cared about the philosophy posts, and of the few who did, they've either left TOL, or, of those who remain, they have been essentially lost to the political hysteria that seems to have overtaken the American left since the Barack Obama presidency.

And, as I recall, I once got banned here on TOL for writing a more or less philosophical/religious thread. So you'll have to pardon me if I have difficulty taking TOL all that seriously these days.

But if there is a philosophical topic you want to be discussed, let me know. You'll likely be the only one to read that thread, and likely nobody will care enough to comment, but by all means, propose a topic.

But I tell you what, Kmoney, how about this?

How about I give you a reasonable answer which you will never get from the identity politics/regressive left?

Here is my analysis of the current political state of affairs.

We have, it seems to me, the following problems:

1. Since the 1960s, for a number of reasons, wages have been more or less stagnant. This problem was exacerbated from the 1980s onward when the west, by and large, started to abandon Keynesian economics and opted, instead, to embrace neoliberal/global capitalist policies. Especially from the 1990s onwards, due to NAFTA and similar policies, as well as because of the trend of the growing automation of jobs, jobs have and are disappearing (yes, it is true that many jobs were created under the Barack Obama presidency, but most of those are low paying service industry jobs), unemployment is high, and there is a growing sense, especially among millennials, that global capitalism has failed.

That's one reason why Donald Trump is president right now.

That's also why you are seeing the growing phenomenon, not just in the US, but in Europe as well, of the anarcho-communist movement of people who call themselves "Antifa" and other such names, who march in the streets in so called "black bloc." Because, really, it's not that big of a leap to move from "global capitalism has failed" to "capitalism has failed." And many people, especially millennials, have made that leap.

Obviously, a white ethnostate won't solve that problem. "Socialist" policies would (and by that, I mean social democratic policies (the kind of economic policies they have in nordic countries), not actual socialist policies). In fact, nationalist and "socialist" policies would solve that problem. I can give an explanation of why that is if you don't understand the why, but I think that the reason why should be obvious.

2. The other problem that we have been facing is the growth of cultural marxism (in addition to actual marxism!), identity politics and renewed and escalated racial tensions. Going on social media and seeing overtly racist content attacking white people is the new normal.

"CIS" straight white males have been and are being demonized. A cultural marxist narrative which paints all "CIS" straight white males as oppressors and racists, and everyone else as oppressed and victims, a cultural marxist narrative which paints practically every issue in racial and gendered terms (even when, in fact, the problem is class, not race)...it's becoming the new normal.

"Microaggression" policies at Berkeley, anyone?

At any rate, the obvious conclusion of that kind of narrative is Emanuel Samson.

But whereas the Left still won't shut up about Dylann Roof, the Left seem to be acting as though Emanuel Samson doesn't even exist. They'll talk about Heather Heyer, but not Emanuel Samson.

Why do you suppose that is?

I think you know why.

And the simple fact is that liberalism is dead. 40% of college educated millenials are in favor of hate speech laws which violate the 1st amendment. Almost 20% of college educated millenials believe that it's perfectly fine to use violence to shut down political speech that they don't agree with.

And cultural marxists, intersectional feminists, etc. have essentially taken over the universities.

Wake up and smell the coffee, Kmoney, and consider where the trends are leading.

You don't think that a white ethnostate is the only reasonable solution?

Ok.

Fine.

What's your counter-proposal?

You don't have one?

Then hail victory.
 

The Berean

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What will a white ethnostate really accomplish? Wouldn't such a state be filled with millions of young white cultural Marxists and feminists? And who would qualify as "white". I'm Latino, fairly dark, but two of my 8 great-grandparents are straight up white Europeans. Do I count as "white"? And where would this white ethnostate be located?
 

Arthur Brain

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As I recall, almost nobody cared about the philosophy posts, and of the few who did, they've either left TOL, or, of those who remain, they have been essentially lost to the political hysteria that seems to have overtaken the American left since the Barack Obama presidency.

And, as I recall, I once got banned here on TOL for writing a more or less philosophical/religious thread. So you'll have to pardon me if I have difficulty taking TOL all that seriously these days.

But if there is a philosophical topic you want to be discussed, let me know. You'll likely be the only one to read that thread, and likely nobody will care enough to comment, but by all means, propose a topic.

But I tell you what, Kmoney, how about this?

How about I give you a reasonable answer which you will never get from the identity politics/regressive left?

Here is my analysis of the current political state of affairs.

We have, it seems to me, the following problems:

1. Since the 1960s, for a number of reasons, wages have been more or less stagnant. This problem was exacerbated from the 1980s onward when the west, by and large, started to abandon Keynesian economics and opted, instead, to embrace neoliberal/global capitalist policies. Especially from the 1990s onwards, due to NAFTA and similar policies, as well as because of the trend of the growing automation of jobs, jobs have and are disappearing (yes, it is true that many jobs were created under the Barack Obama presidency, but most of those are low paying service industry jobs), unemployment is high, and there is a growing sense, especially among millennials, that global capitalism has failed.

That's one reason why Donald Trump is president right now.

That's also why you are seeing the growing phenomenon, not just in the US, but in Europe as well, of the anarcho-communist movement of people who call themselves "Antifa" and other such names, who march in the streets in so called "black bloc." Because, really, it's not that big of a leap to move from "global capitalism has failed" to "capitalism has failed." And many people, especially millennials, have made that leap.

Obviously, a white ethnostate won't solve that problem. "Socialist" policies would (and by that, I mean social democratic policies (the kind of economic policies they have in nordic countries), not actual socialist policies). In fact, nationalist and "socialist" policies would solve that problem. I can give an explanation of why that is if you don't understand the why, but I think that the reason why should be obvious.

2. The other problem that we have been facing is the growth of cultural marxism (in addition to actual marxism!), identity politics and renewed and escalated racial tensions. Going on social media and seeing overtly racist content attacking white people is the new normal.

"CIS" straight white males have been and are being demonized. A cultural marxist narrative which paints all "CIS" straight white males as oppressors and racists, and everyone else as oppressed and victims, a cultural marxist narrative which paints practically every issue in racial and gendered terms (even when, in fact, the problem is class, not race)...it's becoming the new normal.

"Microaggression" policies at Berkeley, anyone?

At any rate, the obvious conclusion of that kind of narrative is Emanuel Samson.

But whereas the Left still won't shut up about Dylann Roof, the Left seem to be acting as though Emanuel Samson doesn't even exist. They'll talk about Heather Heyer, but not Emanuel Samson.

Why do you suppose that is?

I think you know why.

And the simple fact is that liberalism is dead. 40% of college educated millenials are in favor of hate speech laws which violate the 1st amendment. Almost 20% of college educated millenials believe that it's perfectly fine to use violence to shut down political speech that they don't agree with.

And cultural marxists, intersectional feminists, etc. have essentially taken over the universities.

Wake up and smell the coffee, Kmoney, and consider where the trends are leading.

You don't think that a white ethnostate is the only reasonable solution?

Ok.

Fine.

What's your counter-proposal?

You don't have one?

Then hail victory.

The whole "straight white males" rant was enough to confirm you're just waffling. In the real world most people just get about their everyday lives so why don't you join them?

:yawn:
 

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What will a white ethnostate really accomplish? Wouldn't such a state be filled with millions of young white cultural Marxists and feminists? And who would qualify as "white". I'm Latino, fairly dark, but two of my 8 great-grandparents are straight up white Europeans. Do I count as "white"? And where would this white ethnostate be located?

Well, I have no doubt that Traditio considers me a non-white. I suppose Jesus would fall into the same category.
 

The Barbarian

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Just another good person, a black immigrant, who became unstable after being inundated with anti-white SJW liberal rhetoric, do you see what the left creates? He attended the church a couple years ago, not a "member"

There isn't a trace of racism in this guy's writing or behavior. He mostly talked about being a Christian and what that entailed. The church he had attended was mixed race, so obviously, that wasn't an issue for him.
He was mentally ill, had talked of suicide, and his girlfriend and father both tried to get the authorities to step in.

That's all there is to say about it. Playing the race card by suggesting that he was a black version of Dylan Roof is an obvious ploy.

If Obama had a son ....

He would be in school and making something of himself. Pretty much like Obama's daughters. The fact that the Obamas have been such good parents is particularly infuriating to white racists, for reasons we all understand.
 
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The Barbarian

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What will a white ethnostate really accomplish?

Getting all those who want to live in such a state, into one place so we can keep an eye on them, would have some benefits. My guess is that with no one to hate, they'd break up into factions and hate each other.
 

Town Heretic

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That's one reason why Donald Trump is president right now.
Trump is president now because land counts more than hands in our EC...that and a large, aging segment of the white community is angry about suddenly finding themselves on the downside of history, to use race as part of this meaningfully. Once, to be white and Christian in this nation meant that you by and large had your way, even to the point of trumping Constitutional protections. Some, most I suspect, think that was true far later than is the actual case.

Progressive elements used the just victories of the Civil Rights Movement as a launching pad for an agenda to strip that favoritism from law and social edict. Mixed into this was an unpopular war and a sense among younger generations, beginning with the Beat and continuing in the next, that this country was dedicated to a continuous state of warfare. That warfare was needed to fuel an economy that had come into existence to fight the global evil of the Japanese and Nazi empires in WWII. This new economy required new wars to maintain it, a mill that also required grist, which the young understood they would always be. That feeling evolved into social/cultural hedonism and rebellion, the hippies. It undermined the social order, if understandably. The hippies were really only a manifestation of "Eat, drink, and be merry. For tomorrow we die."

Once the corruption of cultural institutions had led to the immoral institution of war as an economic base and then to the hippy rejection, an immoral response to an immoral edict, the result was predictable. The more radical elements in the progressive movement had their wedge against tradition on every level, including public morality. It began with religion, then moved into the social fabric. But to back up a decade, the initial resistance to the Civil Rights Movement was largely rooted in racist garbage, so even though a not inconsiderable fraction of the populace resisted the change/empowerment, it prevailed, and most people understood that it would have to and should...what followed though made many in the mainstream, traditionally white power structure increasingly concerned and angry. Moving beyond the hippies (if you're following chronologically), the power base generated by an insistence on applying Constitutional protections over traditional majority values led directly to the overthrow of previously accepted religious establishment in schools at the behest of a sliver of a minority within the U.S. and to the establishment of a public morality (in the social sense, supplied by entertainment outlets and that uprooted generation previously noted) opposed to traditional values as a given, monolithic necessity, making something as previously untenable as abortion rights a reality.

The sum of that was many people who self identified with the power structure were suddenly feeling attacked and oddly powerless. Odd considering that they still had the numbers, not much reduced. What they were really feeling was the effect of their power being increasingly placed in the hands of an emerging class of people without much real allegiance to them. Into this mix went a concerted effort to alter immigration policy and skew what had been a supply line for the majority, creating a transformative influx of disparate ideologies and ethnicities. This was beneficial to the left in its ongoing effort at cultural reshaping and the expansion of minority rights. It was beneficial to that emerging powerful class on the right because it made the old guard whites rely increasingly upon them and, in turn, made it much easier to control them, both in ire and aim. So the thing they actively helped progressives manage, if for their own ends, became the theater they used to maintain and expand their own agenda, one rooted in simple economics and power.

And this is why so much of America is paranoid and angry. It's also why Trump is president, beyond the gerrymandering of the EC.

And the simple fact is that liberalism is dead.
Nah.

40% of college educated millenials are in favor of hate speech laws which violate the 1st amendment.
Which, if true, would mean that 60% aren't. At one point in our nation's history, most Americans were comfortable with owning people. Then they were comfortable with keeping those freed people in social bondage. So X% arguments rooted in history aren't that compelling.

Almost 20% of college educated millenials believe that it's perfectly fine to use violence to shut down political speech that they don't agree with.
Meaning the overwhelming majority know better.

And cultural marxists, intersectional feminists, etc. have essentially taken over the universities.
Nothing in those numbers would support it. Rather, people with all sorts of ideas under the progressive flag have advanced their power into the shaping of the minds of future generations. The right, in framing intellectualism suspiciously has given them an advantage they couldn't get else. Stupid business, but then the actual structure of power and economic realities will undo much of that gain, which is why the left has to wage its own war and use the conflict the way the ruling class section of the right does.

Theater.

You don't think that a white ethnostate is the only reasonable solution?
No one who actually understands what is happening should. You'd import the same masters and they'll resist you for the reasons given, as will the left. And most people within the state you propose wouldn't want to be members because of the racist foundation in any event. It's a twisted and dead dream you're peddling, but one both progressives and the ruling elite appreciate.
 

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Trump is president now because land counts more than hands in our EC....
Yeah, because New York and California and Texas should be able to choose our President, since they have the most population. The EC levels the playing field, giving all states a voice. The rest of what you wrote is pure liberal drivel.
 

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Yeah, because New York and California and Texas should be able to choose our President, since they have the most population. The EC levels the playing field, giving all states a voice.
Rather, because people should count and cornfields shouldn't. How you frame an excuse to rule the majority from a minority position is just, to use a word from my last, theater.

The rest of what you wrote is pure liberal drivel.
Not even a little true, which tells me both the left and the right have you right where you need to be for them to continue with their profitable war.
 

Tambora

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Yeah, because New York and California and Texas should be able to choose our President, since they have the most population. The EC levels the playing field, giving all states a voice.
BINGO.

I thought everyone already knew how the EC works, and it has nothing to do with liking cornfields more than people. :rotfl:
If it was land over people, then Alaska would have the most EC votes to cast.
I guess some were not paying attention in class that day.


The rest of what you wrote is pure liberal drivel.
BINGO.
 

Town Heretic

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I thought everyone already knew how the EC works,and it has nothing to do with liking cornfields more than people.
It really does. Where you live controls the impact of your vote, granting an inequality of power for those who live outside of cities. The lines drawn over land matter more.

If it was land over people, then Alaska would have the most EC votes to cast.
Rather, if it was people over land the popular vote would control.

I guess some were not paying attention in class that day.
Seems like you just need a course in government and the rational application of principle.

Some people enjoy a game of chess. Some people prefer
Exactly.
 

Tambora

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It really does. Where you live controls the impact of your vote, granting an inequality of power for those who live outside of cities. The lines drawn over land matter more.


Rather, if it was people over land the popular vote would control.


Seems like you just need a course in government and the rational application of principle.

Some people enjoy a game of chess. Some people prefer

Exactly.
I can't believe what I am reading.
The EC vote has nothing to do with liking cornfields (or any fields) over people.
The EC operates the same across the nation.
The EC operates on population mass, not land mass.

If you are using 'cornfield' as an idiom for rural people, you statement still doesn't fly.
That's like saying the EC cares more about country folks than city folks (which is a form of bigotry that the EC wanted to avoid, AS IT SHOULD).
 
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