Theology Club: Departure cannot possibly mean the removal of the church
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musterion
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musterion
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Speaking of, "The Religion of Antichrist." Some interesting points if you have an hour to watch.
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It CANNOT begin until the church is gathered, tribulation we shall have according to both Christ and Paul which should tell you that Tribulation and God's wrath are two things quite different.
Prophecy is best got from the open books of the bible.
So the church is gathered, Israel is gathered into their land....now God's wrath will be poured out upon those who come up with Antichrist.
It happens at the end of Ac's career...that is to say after he breaks his treaty with Israel and invades, that is half way through the 7 years, that is 3.5 years of tribulation.
This once again shows that the Great Trib is for the church and not Israel...
People often talk about a purge in Israel and I suppose there will HOW?
All those Israelis who come to defend Jerusalem, the temple....they will be slaughtered. The word of the Lord was to FLEE Jerusalem and not even go back for your coat.
Thus will God put a distinction between the Jews.
Paul tells us
Antichrist will oppose and exalt himself above ALL that is called god or that is worshipped
That for you and me is tribulation, Great Tribulation.
He is going to oppose YOU.
Antichrist will oppose and exalt himself above ALL that is called god or that is worshipped
That for you and me is tribulation, Great Tribulation.
He is going to oppose YOU.
musterion
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It is God's wrath from the start. It will grow progressively worse as mankind grows more unrepentant.
For you, maybe, but not for me. I'm not appointed to wrath. Neither were the Thessalonians who feared they were already going through it.
God cannot pour His wrath out while we are here....we are taken out when Christ comes in the clouds.
It is at the end of Antichrist's career not the beginning
musterion
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Antichrist will be destroyed by the power and coming of our Lord Jesus.
That will be the end of his career
That will be the end of his career
Hey all, was bored; thought I'd look in on you all.
Anyway, the nation Israel and its time line was Prophesied - and ITS' timeline is POST Trib - Acts 3:19-21.
Thus, as Steko has in a sense just pointed out - Jesus' timeline and activities with regard to Prophecy (Israel's Prophetic Clock) is POST Trib.
As for the beginning of God's wrath - Romans 1: 18 forward makes abundantly clear what Genesis 11, etc., also make clear - His wrath begins/IS ALSO His giving up on people!
This giving up on men itself is the beginning of the end that then follows His Physical display of His wrath!
In this, 2 Thess. 2:11's "for this cause" marks a return to where things were per Romans 3: 18.
Matches Romans 1:26's "For this cause..."
Where was the world headed back then? Back when Paul was first saved? Romans 1:18 - the Gentle. Romans 3:9 - the Jew also.
But for God's INTERRUPTION of where things were headed when He overruled with Romans 5: 20, 21 until Romans 11:25.
In this, 2 Thess. 2: 1 is Romans 11:25 and 2 Thess. 2: 2 is Romans 11: 26 (marks a return to the order of things that Peter preached in Acts 3:19-21).
Romans is a key to it all.
whitestone
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what do they need to do before they are restored?
musterion
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But if someone does not see the absolute distinctiveness between prophecy and mystery, they're naturally going to be convinced it's all post-trib and so will try to shoehorn everything Paul said into post-trib. Correct?
Right Divider
Body part
Joseph Prince is a pre tribber alas...a holy man of God
The church has been delivered from the wrath to come, tribulation wrath.
We have already peace with God and need not fear the judgement of God.
Therefore naughtington
Paul is not reiterating our being free from the eternal judgement of God's wrath, but Paul is speaking of the wrath to be poured out upon the world in the Time of Jacob's Trouble.
Tribulation believers are getting killed left and right throughout the tribulation. Surely church saints are not delivered from the wrath to come.
We have already peace with God and need not fear the judgement of God.
Therefore naughtington
Paul is not reiterating our being free from the eternal judgement of God's wrath, but Paul is speaking of the wrath to be poured out upon the world in the Time of Jacob's Trouble.
Tribulation believers are getting killed left and right throughout the tribulation. Surely church saints are not delivered from the wrath to come.
It is Paul who declares that we have been delivered from God's wrath, in the very same pissel he declares "through much tribulation must we enter the kingdom"
Much tribulation...great tribulation. People have got to stop confusing the two things.
Wrath comes from God, tribulation comes from men. When Christ first came and news reached Herod he was "tribulated" and all Jerusalem with him.
Persecution is a better understanding.
God has pledged NEVER again to pour His wrath upon saint and sinner alike...He promised it to Noah and He confirmed it to Abraham in the matter of Sodom and Gomorrah.
We are delivered from God's wrath but we are subject to persecution, tribulation.
Your Israelology is deficient buddy!
The theme of Israel, the Remnant and day of Jehovah's wrath. The most common term for the tribulation in the OT is The Day of Jehovah. It is a technical and theological term not to be confused or ignored.
The wrath to come according to Paul's Israelology is the specific seven year Day of Jehovah's wrath. It is that wrath we are delivered out of.
Noah was removed before the judgement fell.
Look here, I make the distinction, you are failing in this instance [dear Steko] to make the distinction.
The Joos are going nowhere that the angels should gather them....there are not multiple comings in the clouds of heaven, this is the event Paul speaks about, complete with trump and angels....
Paul is preaching to Gentiles not Joos, WE are the ones to be gathered to meet Him in the clouds
The Jews inherit the land...they do not go in the rapture.
I believe that at the time of the rap ALL the Jews will have come home to Israel.