Can Self-Identification Be Incorrect?

[glassjester]

Look at this:

Should one's gender identity be recognized and (legally) accepted by others, if it contradicts reality? If so, is gender the only trait that someone can deny or change at will?

What about height?
Weight?
Race?
Age?
Species?

Is it possible for someone to incorrectly identify themselves?
Does anyone have the right or duty to correct an incorrect self-identity, or should we all just politely play along?

 

[patrick jane]

We should play along

 

[glassjester]

We should play along

For all self-misidentified characteristics? Or just certain ones?

 

[chrysostom]

Is it possible for someone to incorrectly identify themselves?
Does anyone have the right or duty to correct an incorrect self-identity, or should we all just politely play along?

they get really upset when you tell them they are not saved

 

[glassjester]

they get really upset when you tell them they are not saved

I bet they do.

Should we play along with self-misidentification?

 

[chrysostom]

I bet they do.

Should we play along with self-misidentification?

that would be misleading
-it is our duty to suggest that they might not be saved

 

[annabenedetti]

I bet they do.

Should we play along with self-misidentification?

We should respect what's not ours to judge.

 

[Crucible]

We should respect what's not ours to judge.

When people tell them they are saved, there is a problem.

Assuring people who may be at stake is in and of itself a sin. It's lying about God's intent and desire.

 

[Rusha]

Does anyone have the right or duty to correct an incorrect self-identity, or should we all just politely play along?

A right. Of course, it's called freedom of speech ... which includes speech that I don't agree with and that you don't agree with. Insofar as a duty to correct .... Anna is spot ont ...

We should respect what's not ours to judge.

 

[Crucible]

Insofar as a duty to correct .... Anna is spot ont ...

What a load of nonsense.

You all have made these people willing and able to go under the knife to permanently change themselves into something that is mortally sinful, and tell us 'not to judge'. And then, they'll go find peace in being told a lie and turn the wheel of desecration even more.

There is nothing wrong with judging righteously, or telling the truth.

 

[rexlunae]

Not everything is a question of self-identification. Gender, as opposed to sex, is.

 

[ok doser]

I self-identify as a 7 and a half foot tall black basketball star and if the NBA doesn't find me a place on one of their teams I'm gonna sue them for discrimination :sibbie:

 

[ok doser]

Not everything is a question of self-identification. Gender, as opposed to sex, is.

only if you choose to redefine "gender" as being pliable


never was in the past :idunno:

 

[chrysostom]

We should respect what's not ours to judge.

so you are okay with letting them believe that they are saved?

 

[annabenedetti]

so you are okay with letting them believe that they are saved?

What's the alternative? Telling them they're going to hell?

 

[rexlunae]

only if you choose to redefine "gender" as being pliable


never was in the past :idunno:

Well, yes, that's a reasonably recent distinction. But it's a distinction that reflects a previously (and still, to some extent) poorly-understood reality.

 

[rexlunae]

I self-identify as a 7 and a half foot tall black basketball star and if the NBA doesn't find me a place on one of their teams I'm gonna sue them for discrimination :sibbie:

You can come up with all the dumb examples of attributes that are not a matter of self-identification you like. It's not going to do anything but demonstrate your own bewilderment.

 

[glassjester]

Well, yes, that's a reasonably recent distinction. But it's a distinction that reflects a previously (and still, to some extent) poorly-understood reality.

What is the distinction?

 

[chrysostom]

What's the alternative? Telling them they're going to hell?

no
-you tell them that their salvation depends on what they do

 

[rexlunae]

What is the distinction?

Between sex and gender.