BROWNSON: Does ONE FLESH Support Same-Sex Marriage?

[A-Scholten]

In his book Dr. James Brownson claims the one flesh concept supports same-sex marriage.

The phrase "one flesh" in the Bible is a reference to the bonding that unites two individuals. This bond is the essence of marriage. According to Brownson, this bonding can take place between two individuals of the same sex because there is nothing in the Bible which prohibits the bonding found in same-sex unions. This “kinship” bond is evidence arguing in favor of the acceptance of same sex unions. In Scripture the one flesh bond is a kinship bond.


More information on his position as well as a response can be found by googling "Brownson Dialogos." Your thoughts on this would be appreciated.

 

[quip]

Makes sense. If two bond into one flesh...that 'one flesh' transcends gender. Gender is irrelevant.

 

[A-Scholten]

Thanks for your comment, Quip. The Old Testament references to one flesh are also accompanied the O.T. statement, “You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.” How does two men attempting to become one flesh mesh with this statement in Leviticus 18:22? Thanks.

 

[Jonahdog]

Im too busy trying not to wear linen and cotton together.

 

[A-Scholten]

Im too busy trying not to wear linen and cotton together.

There is always a joker in the crowd! Well, not exactly. That thought is undoubtedly based on the Old Testament prohibitions of wearing cloths made up of more than one kind of fabric. It is certainly true that there are parts of the Old Testament which, although they had their purpose then, are no longer relevant in the New Testament age. So we need to determine which ones are no longer relevant and which ones are.
Romans 1 speaks of men shamelessly committing sexual acts with other men (Romans 1:26-27). A number of reasons have been identified that link this passage to the Old Testament passage in Leviticus. The conclusion here being if a prohibition is repeated in the New Testament then it is relevant to the New Testament age.

 

[JudgeRightly]

In his book Dr. James Brownson claims the one flesh concept supports same-sex marriage.

The phrase "one flesh" in the Bible is a reference to the bonding that unites two individuals. This bond is the essence of marriage. According to Brownson, this bonding can take place between two individuals of the same sex because there is nothing in the Bible which prohibits the bonding found in same-sex unions. This “kinship” bond is evidence arguing in favor of the acceptance of same sex unions. In Scripture the one flesh bond is a kinship bond.


More information on his position as well as a response can be found by googling "Brownson Dialogos." Your thoughts on this would be appreciated.

It helps when you read a word or phrase in context, which usually eliminates any confusion.

And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam, and he slept; and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in its place.Then the rib which the Lord God had taken from man He made into a woman, and He brought her to the man.And Adam said: “This is now bone of my bones And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man.”Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed. - Genesis 2:21-25 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis2:21-25&version=NKJV

"A man shall . . . Be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh."

 

[JudgeRightly]

Oh... And don't forget that homosexuality is an abomination to God...

And yes, both the Old AND New Testaments say that.

 

[A-Scholten]

Excellent point. And when the New Testament refers to one flesh it also refers each time to man and woman. Thanks.

 

[quip]

Thanks for your comment, Quip. The Old Testament references to one flesh are also accompanied the O.T. statement, “You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.” How does two men attempting to become one flesh mesh with this statement in Leviticus 18:22? Thanks.

It doesn't...if you equate bonding with sexual intercourse.

If - on the other hand - the two were to bond (as one) prior to sex, gender differentiation is rendered moot. (per the prior explanation.)

Re: pre-marital sex.

 

[Idolater]

In his book Dr. James Brownson claims the one flesh concept supports same-sex marriage.

You can use the Bible to prove anything. But 'the one flesh concept' is in its fullest, the conjugal union between a man and his lawful wife, and is open to life; the generation of a new life, a new 'flesh.'

SSM doesn't have this. It's physically impossible. His thought is wrong.

 

[A-Scholten]

It doesn't...if you equate bonding with sexual intercourse.

If - on the other hand - the two were to bond (as one) prior to sex, gender differentiation is rendered moot. (per the prior explanation.)

Re: pre-marital sex.

Do the Old Testament or the New Testament ever use the concept of "one flesh" in this sense of "bonding prior to sex"? Not that I know of. There are plenty of references in the Bible to friends, which is really bonding outside of sex. So the Bible doesn't use the phrase that way and it contains quite clear prohibitions of same-sex erotic acts. What justification for that interpretation is there?

 

[quip]

Do the Old Testament or the New Testament ever use the concept of "one flesh" in this sense of "bonding prior to sex"? Not that I know of. There are plenty of references in the Bible to friends, which is really bonding outside of sex. So the Bible doesn't use the phrase that way and it contains quite clear prohibitions of same-sex erotic acts. What justification for that interpretation is there?

Does the bible discourage pre-marital sex? If so, you must bond prior...or it's only carnal "bonding". Yes?

 

[JudgeRightly]

Does the bible discourage pre-marital sex?

Yes.

If so, you must bond prior. Yes?

If by "bonding" you mean sex, that's called fornication, and the punishment for that crime (yes, crime) is that the man and woman who fornicate should be forced to marry and never be allowed to divorce. And since God defines marriage as between one man and one woman, that excludes homos.

If by "bonding" you just mean getting to know someone, no, it's not a "must."

A few good examples of marriages where the marriage would be considered a success are:

Isaac and Rebekah
Jacob and Rachel and Leah
Joseph and Mary

"Marriage is too important to be left up to the instabilities of sexual attraction. Basing a marriage on emotions, which as we all know come and go, may be intrinsically unstable."

https://kgov.com/bel/20051116

I recommend listening to the above show (which talks about arranged marriages, and which is where the above quote comes from).

 

[quip]

If by "bonding" you mean sex....

If by "bonding" you just mean getting to know someone, no, it's not a "must."

Neither.

The bonding of two souls brought together by the Divine; publicly rejoiced and proclaimed through the tradition of marriage. This, in no way, precludes homosexuals.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Neither.

Those are the only two option. Pick one.

The bonding of two souls brought together by the Divine,

"The Divine"?

Are you talking about God?

Because the God of the Bible doesn't "bring two souls together" to bond.

God doesn't have a list of people who He has planned to marry.

publically rejoiced and proclaimed by the tradition of marriage. This, in no way, preclude homosexuals.

The tradition of marriage has been, for 7000 years, that it be between one man and one woman. That does, in fact, preclude homos.

 

[quip]

Those are the only two option. Pick one.



"The Divine"?

Are you talking about God?

Because the God of the Bible doesn't "bring two souls together" to bond.

God doesn't have a list of people who He has planned to marry.



The tradition of marriage has been, for 7000 years, that it be between one man and one woman. That does, in fact, preclude homos.

That's just a mere bias at play. Souls are sexless, the body...its vessel.
Don't get wrapped up in spiritual pride and carnal judgement.

 

[JudgeRightly]

That's just a mere bias at play.

Saying it doesn't make it so.

Souls are sexless,

And that's nonsense.

The Bible says God made man MALE AND FEMALE.

the body...its vessel.

No argument there.

Don't get wrapped up in spiritual pride and carnal judgement.

Whatever that means... :idunno:

 

[quip]

Saying it doesn't make it so.



And that's nonsense.

The Bible says God made man MALE AND FEMALE.



No argument there.



Whatever that means... :idunno:

Yes, He physically made man and women...as complement to the soul. You have no point other than expressing hubris.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Yes,He physically made man and women...as complement to the soul.

Nope, God created the body first, then the soul/spirit.

Man is tripartite, made of body, soul, and spirit.

Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. - 1 Thessalonians 5:23 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Thessalonians5:23&version=NKJV

If a person is male, then all of him, body, soul, and spirit, is male.

If a person is female, then all of her, body, soul, and spirit, is female.

So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. - Genesis 1:27 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis1:27&version=NKJV

And the Lord God said, “It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him.”Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them. And whatever Adam called each living creature, that was its name.So Adam gave names to all cattle, to the birds of the air, and to every beast of the field. But for Adam there was not found a helper comparable to him.And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam, and he slept; and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in its place.Then the rib which the Lord God had taken from man He made into a woman, and He brought her to the man.And Adam said: “This is now bone of my bones And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man.”Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed. - Genesis 2:18-25 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis2:18-25&version=NKJV

You have no point other than expessing hubris.

:blabla:

 

[quip]

It matters not which (arguably) came first.