ARCHIVE: Fool is only fooling himself
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Caledvwlch
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If Joshua wasn't a Christian, why on earth would Christians have anything to do with the entire Old Testement?koban said:
Balder
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I expect that if G.O., Knight, or some of the other defenders of these OT genocidal stories heard about someone on the news that was doing these things, and he was a Muslim or Hindu or atheist or something, they would condemn him as evil. But since Joshua is an OT hero, purportedly obeying the voice of God and being assisted by him, they feel compelled to defend his brutal tactics. To that extent, Joshua is "Christian" -- not in his own belief, but as a hero and man of God in the overall Christian story.koban said:
koban said:
I asked if believing in life's sanctity wasn't a prerequisite for the people of God; you said that someone was claiming Joshua was a Christian (no one did).
So let me ask again, do you NOT need to believe in the sanctity of life to follow God? Does that create a conflict?
Balder
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That makes sense. I suppose if you regard life as fundamentally flawed and perhaps a little cheap, it will be easier to exterminate whole populations and kill infants and so on.koban said:
I read a book, A Guide to Understanding the Bible, which discussed old Biblical attitudes. People outside of the Hebrew ethnic group were generally regarded as less than human, or at least as less deserving of the respect or value that is afforded to members within the group. Which isn't surprising. Most ethnocentric cultures think this way, around the world.
Balder said:
My "tribe" has had a checkered history of dealing with the Jews - certainly they were never held in much regard or held up as examples to be emulated.
I remember biblical stories being taught in Sunday school. We kids regarded them as curiousities from another age, not something we identified with.
genuineoriginal
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My position is not inconsistent. It follows what the Bible teaches.Balder said:
Romans 2
1Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
2But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.
3And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
4Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
5But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11For there is no respect of persons with God.
1Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
2But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.
3And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
4Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
5But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11For there is no respect of persons with God.
genuineoriginal
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Granite said:
What do you think?
Granite said:
Gee Granite, sorry I can't give you a pat answer for a difficult question.
But then, I've never claimed to have all the answers, have I?
As an absolute statement? All human life?
No.
Quit being a knob.
Actually Granite, since I don't count any Hebrews amongst my ancestors, I don't particularly have to defend this passage, and if you'd been paying attention instead of trying to get in the cheap shots, you might have noticed that I haven't been.
Unless you just want to be stupid, you :Commie: pro-abortionist. :chuckle:
Seems to me somebody in this dialogue does claim Jewish ancestry, however. :think:
Do you believe the Joshua passage is an actual historical record of a true occurrence?
genuineoriginal
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They should take them as actual history. It is only the card carrying members of the Liberal Ostrich Society for Tolerance (LOST) that are trying to rewrite history so they won't see the truth.Granite said: