ECT Abraham's Covenant as a Gentile

[Wick Stick]

Reading in Galatians 3.

As nearly as I can tell, Paul claims that Abram's covenant is the same covenant that believers now enter (v.7,17). Am I wrong?

If it's a separate covenant, is Paul appropriating the blessings of an obsolete covenant for the believer (v.9)? And then is this then a 3rd plan? 3P3P?

But if it's NOTa separate covenant, then why is the NEW covenant called NEW?

Finally, verse 8 says that Abraham got the gospel early:
The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU.”

How can the gospel have been kept a secret until Paul, if it was preached to Abraham before the law even existed?

 

[DAN P]

Reading in Galatians 3.

As nearly as I can tell, Paul claims that Abram's covenant is the same covenant that believers now enter (v.7,17). Am I wrong?

If it's a separate covenant, is Paul appropriating the blessings of an obsolete covenant for the believer (v.9)? And then is this then a 3rd plan? 3P3P?

But if it's NOTa separate covenant, then why is the NEW covenant called NEW?

Finally, verse 8 says that Abraham got the gospel early:
The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU.”

How can the gospel have been kept a secret until Paul, if it was preached to Abraham before the law even existed?

Hi and there is a difference between Abraham and his other name Abram !

There are 4 verbs tenses in Gal 3:8 and the last verb BLESSED is in the Greek FUTURE TENSE , and Pasive Voice and in the Indicative Mood !!

Why is it in the FUTURE TENSE , because it will be put into operation during the MILLINNAL Kingdom !!

There is more and still not feeling good , so I will stop here !!


The Dispensation of thre GRACE of God was HIDDEN in God until reavealed to Paul in Col 1:25 and 26 , which NEVER revealed to the Jews or to the 12 APOSTLES !!

dan p

 

[Interplanner]

Reading in Galatians 3.

As nearly as I can tell, Paul claims that Abram's covenant is the same covenant that believers now enter (v.7,17). Am I wrong?

If it's a separate covenant, is Paul appropriating the blessings of an obsolete covenant for the believer (v.9)? And then is this then a 3rd plan? 3P3P?

But if it's NOTa separate covenant, then why is the NEW covenant called NEW?

Finally, verse 8 says that Abraham got the gospel early:
The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU.”

How can the gospel have been kept a secret until Paul, if it was preached to Abraham before the law even existed?

Good questions.
1, everything done with Israel is called old. It was only a shadow and copy and childtrainer of what was coming in Christ.

2, the new covenant is with Christ. Christ acted on behalf of humanity. That's why the promise was to the Seed, meaning, one person. Then by believing on him, the rest of us get to share in Him.

3, the Gospel was not the mystery. That's not even what Eph 3:6 is saying. Follow the grammar. The weight lands on 'in the gospel.' The things are shared with Israel in the Gospel, not in or through the law. This is what Judaism could not follow, and fought upon discovery that that is what the apostles taught. But the mission to the nations never was a mystery even to Judaism. They had missionaries for the law already out there, and Jesus cursed them.

 

[way 2 go]

Reading in Galatians 3.

As nearly as I can tell, Paul claims that Abram's covenant is the same covenant that believers now enter (v.7,17). Am I wrong?

yes the 1st one ,
it was by faith only

If it's a separate covenant, is Paul appropriating the blessings of an obsolete covenant for the believer (v.9)? And then is this then a 3rd plan? 3P3P?

But if it's NOTa separate covenant, then why is the NEW covenant called NEW?

Finally, verse 8 says that Abraham got the gospel early:
The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU.”

How can the gospel have been kept a secret until Paul, if it was preached to Abraham before the law even existed?

1st covenant
promise
Gen 15:5
Gen 15:6
blood shed
Gen 15:9
Gen 15:10
abram was asleep (faith only)
Gen 15:12
God confirmed the covenant
Gen 15:17

2nd covenant

promise
Gen 17:5
Gen 17:6
Gen 17:7
bloodshed and covenant confirmed each time the
work of circumcision is done.
Gen 17:10

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Hi and there is a difference between Abraham and his other name Abram !

There are 4 verbs tenses in Gal 3:8 and the last verb BLESSED is in the Greek FUTURE TENSE , and Pasive Voice and in the Indicative Mood !!

Why is it in the FUTURE TENSE , because it will be put into operation during the MILLINNAL Kingdom !!

There is more and still not feeling good , so I will stop here !!


The Dispensation of thre GRACE of God was HIDDEN in God until reavealed to Paul in Col 1:25 and 26 , which NEVER revealed to the Jews or to the 12 APOSTLES !!

dan p

Made up.

King James Bible
But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

 

[Interplanner]

Dans a bit too far off to bother with

 

[Tambora]

Being saved by faith was never hidden.

The mystery that Paul talks about was hidden.
The BOC was established through Israel's fall. That was never in prophesy.
Prophesy has the nations coming to the LORD through Israel's exaltation/rise/restoration.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

Dans a bit too far off to bother with

The irony...

 

[DAN P]

Dans a bit too far off to bother with

 

[DAN P]

Dans a bit too far off to bother with

Hi and are AVOUIDING me again , no good response , THOUGHT SO !!

DAN P

 

[Wick Stick]

Being saved by faith was never hidden.

The mystery that Paul talks about was hidden.
The BOC was established through Israel's fall. That was never in prophesy.
Prophesy has the nations coming to the LORD through Israel's exaltation/rise/restoration.

Israel's fall was prophesied, over and over in the OT. Is that really in dispute?

That their fall should establish the church... yes, that is in prophecy too. The book of Hosea is about this. Hosea 1:10 if you need a single reference, but really the whole book.

 

[Wick Stick]

There are 4 verbs tenses in Gal 3:8 and the last verb BLESSED is in the Greek FUTURE TENSE , and Pasive Voice and in the Indicative Mood !!

Why is it in the FUTURE TENSE , because it will be put into operation during the MILLINNAL Kingdom !!

Or, maybe because Abraham lived thousands of years before it came to pass, and it was a future event to him?

 

[DAN P]

Or, maybe because Abraham lived thousands of years before it came to pass, and it was a future event to him?

Hi and there will be Gentiles in the MILLENNIAL KINGDOM !!

They are the one's that will be GRAFTED into Rom 11:19-22 !!

In Matt 25 . there are 3 groups #1 Israel becomes Kings and Priests in the Milennial Kingdom Rev 1:6 and Ex 19:6 #2 , Then there are SHEEP NATIONS who are GENTILES #3 and then there are the GOATS NATIONS that go into Everlasting Punishment !

Unless you are a PRETERIST !!

dan p

 

[Wick Stick]

Hi and there will be Gentiles in the MILLENNIAL KINGDOM !!

They are the one's that will be GRAFTED into Rom 11:19-22 !!

Wait... Romans 11 includes the church at Rome among the Gentiles. "I speak to you Gentiles" and "if you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in..." Were is aorist passive - already happened.

How can they be grafted into the millennial kingdom if that's still the in the future, even now?

In Matt 25 . there are 3 groups #1 Israel becomes Kings and Priests in the Milennial Kingdom Rev 1:6 and Ex 19:6 #2 , Then there are SHEEP NATIONS who are GENTILES #3 and then there are the GOATS NATIONS that go into Everlasting Punishment !

Unless you are a PRETERIST !!

Maybe you are the preterist? Or else, just confused. You believe 2 things that can't be true at the same time.

 

[Tambora]

Israel's fall was prophesied, over and over in the OT. Is that really in dispute?

Nope.
And there is no dispute that GOD will restore/exalt Israel, and it is prophesied that during their restoration that Gentiles will flock to the LORD and worship Him.
Not during their temporary fall.


Romans 11:11 KJV
(11) I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their [israel] fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
(12) Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

 

[DAN P]

Wait... Romans 11 includes the church at Rome among the Gentiles. "I speak to you Gentiles" and "if you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in..." Were is aorist passive - already happened.

How can they be grafted into the millennial kingdom if that's still the in the future, even now?


Maybe you are the preterist? Or else, just confused. You believe 2 things that can't be true at the same time.

Hi and in Rom 11:25 25 , until the fulness of the GENTILES come in , and that means that EKKLESIA will be departed THEN in verse 26 Israel will be SAVED , so read it again !!

Have you ever wondered that the 2 verb tenses , THE DELIVERER WILL COME and WILL TURN AWAY are in the Greek FUTURE TENSE and have not yet happened ??

This does show that there are 2P2P does it not ?
Yes it does !!

dan p

 

[Interplanner]

Nope.
And there is no dispute that GOD will restore/exalt Israel, and it is prophesied that during their restoration that Gentiles will flock to the LORD and worship Him.
Not during their temporary fall.


Romans 11:11 KJV
(11) I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their [israel] fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
(12) Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

There is no future 'restoration' of Israel other than what happened through the apostles. That is why every restoration prophecy is always simultaneous to the pouring out of the Spirit, as in Ezek, and in the one quoted in Joes at Pentecost.

The Rom 11 passage 'looks' like a prediction but is not. It is a provocation to get THAT generation of Israel to be in God's mission (the great multitude of preachers), and get in all the believers that are Gentiles. That is the Israel that will be saved, and saved in romans is not a Davidic theocracy which is nowhere in the NT, Acts 2:30-32 says: DAVID WAS LOOKING AT AND SPEAKING OF THE ENTHRONEMENT OF CHRIST IN THE RESURRECTION, and the promise of the Spirit, given as the gift by the Ascender (Eph 4) was to be used to take the same promised gift to all nations, v39. To differ with that scenario is to be called corrupt by Peter.

 

[Nang]

There is no future 'restoration' of Israel other than what happened through the apostles. That is why every restoration prophecy is always simultaneous to the pouring out of the Spirit, as in Ezek, and in the one quoted in Joes at Pentecost.

The Rom 11 passage 'looks' like a prediction but is not. It is a provocation to get THAT generation of Israel to be in God's mission (the great multitude of preachers), and get in all the believers that are Gentiles. That is the Israel that will be saved, and saved in romans is not a Davidic theocracy which is nowhere in the NT, Acts 2:30-32 says: DAVID WAS LOOKING AT AND SPEAKING OF THE ENTHRONEMENT OF CHRIST IN THE RESURRECTION, and the promise of the Spirit, given as the gift by the Ascender (Eph 4) was to be used to take the same promised gift to all nations, v39. To differ with that scenario is to be called corrupt by Peter.

All prophetic promises (Gospel message) of salvific restoration of sinners, whether given to Jews or Gentiles, is performed by and realized in Jesus Christ alone.

There is no salvation in any other . . Whether past, present, or future

He alone is the source and sole possession of the fulfillment of all promises made to mankind by God.

 

[Interplanner]

All prophetic promises (Gospel message) of salvific restoration of sinners, whether given to Jews or Gentiles, is performed by and realized in Jesus Christ alone.

There is no salvation in any other . . Whether past, present, or future

He alone is the source and sole possession of the fulfillment of all promises made to mankind by God.

Amen! It's just that there is salvation2 brought to you by 2P2P where everything has a 2nd.

 

[Tambora]

Prophesy revealed through the prophets:

Isaiah 60:3 KJV
(3) And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.​

Mystery revealed through Paul:

Romans 11:11 KJV​

(11) I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.​

Things that differ are not the same.