Abolishing Christ's Work
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What law are you referring to?
WonderfulLordJesus
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Nothing "abolishes" the work of the Lord Jesus, that wording odd. In any case, a person not of a true faith is not in a state of grace, is not saved, one that seeks salvation by other than grace and faith in the work of the Lord Jesus. For the relationship of law versus faith, in terms of salvation, the futility of law to save, here is a good treatise in scripture, which speaks for itself:
Galatians 5
Christian Liberty
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.
Love Fulfills the Law
7 You ran well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth?
8 This persuasion does not come from Him who calls you.
9 A little leaven leavens the whole lump.
10 I have confidence in you, in the Lord, that you will have no other mind; but he who troubles you shall bear his judgment, whoever he is.
11 And I, brethren, if I still preach circumcision, why do I still suffer persecution? Then the offense of the cross has ceased.
12 I could wish that those who trouble you would even cut themselves off!
13 For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
15 But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another!
Morality, actually, never springs from keeping a checklist. Morality is the result of a righteous inner man. Otherwise criminals may keep law, so as not to be punished. It is walking in the light of Christ, being of the love of God, that is the Christian law, and all immorality springs from a breach in the love of God and fellow man. One with the Holy Spirit neither needs a checklist to know right from wrong, very conscience of man even having moral dictates. In terms of Christianity, the law most serves to prove we are all sinners and condemned, that we can only be saved by grace, have no righteousness our own to satisify holy and perfect God, a subject Paul also addresses, Hebrews going into how not even Israel of the Old Testament was saved by other than faith, none saved by works of the law. As a matter of fact, the Lord Jesus was the only man to ever fulfill the requirements of the law, who lived a perfect life, without the sin that only can condemn.
You therefore, if you think the law can save you, are wasting your time, entirely, as you must keep the whole law, and, as they say, lots of luck with that: you're already, no doubt, out of that competition.
James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
The Lord Jesus even pointed out how lust is adultery, hatred murder, that sin which condemns includes merely evil thoughts. Without the blood of Christ, you could have an entire library of the law, which will only send you to hell, even serves to more readily do so, since you can't plead any ignorance, if you're a legalist. All the law can do, in this case, is show a sinner knew better!
Romans 5
20 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more,
21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Galatians 5
Christian Liberty
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.
Love Fulfills the Law
7 You ran well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth?
8 This persuasion does not come from Him who calls you.
9 A little leaven leavens the whole lump.
10 I have confidence in you, in the Lord, that you will have no other mind; but he who troubles you shall bear his judgment, whoever he is.
11 And I, brethren, if I still preach circumcision, why do I still suffer persecution? Then the offense of the cross has ceased.
12 I could wish that those who trouble you would even cut themselves off!
13 For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
15 But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another!
Morality, actually, never springs from keeping a checklist. Morality is the result of a righteous inner man. Otherwise criminals may keep law, so as not to be punished. It is walking in the light of Christ, being of the love of God, that is the Christian law, and all immorality springs from a breach in the love of God and fellow man. One with the Holy Spirit neither needs a checklist to know right from wrong, very conscience of man even having moral dictates. In terms of Christianity, the law most serves to prove we are all sinners and condemned, that we can only be saved by grace, have no righteousness our own to satisify holy and perfect God, a subject Paul also addresses, Hebrews going into how not even Israel of the Old Testament was saved by other than faith, none saved by works of the law. As a matter of fact, the Lord Jesus was the only man to ever fulfill the requirements of the law, who lived a perfect life, without the sin that only can condemn.
You therefore, if you think the law can save you, are wasting your time, entirely, as you must keep the whole law, and, as they say, lots of luck with that: you're already, no doubt, out of that competition.
James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
The Lord Jesus even pointed out how lust is adultery, hatred murder, that sin which condemns includes merely evil thoughts. Without the blood of Christ, you could have an entire library of the law, which will only send you to hell, even serves to more readily do so, since you can't plead any ignorance, if you're a legalist. All the law can do, in this case, is show a sinner knew better!
Romans 5
20 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more,
21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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csuguy
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The Law cannot save you, only condemn you. The Law is good and righteous, but by it we are found guilty and put to death - that is in so far as we are sinners.
Through Christ we are resurrected and given new life. So long as we are in the Spirit and act out of love - there is no sin, no transgression of the Law, no death. But this is dependent upon following the Spirit, dependent upon our actions. If we cease to act in accordance with love, then sin will creep back into our lives and attempt to kill the Word that has been planted in us before the harvest.
The Law does not save, but the Law tells us right from wrong. It teaches us God's will. Following God's Law is very much a requirement of salvation, and something that our faith upholds as the right thing to do.
Romans 3:27-31 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. 28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.
Through Christ we are resurrected and given new life. So long as we are in the Spirit and act out of love - there is no sin, no transgression of the Law, no death. But this is dependent upon following the Spirit, dependent upon our actions. If we cease to act in accordance with love, then sin will creep back into our lives and attempt to kill the Word that has been planted in us before the harvest.
The Law does not save, but the Law tells us right from wrong. It teaches us God's will. Following God's Law is very much a requirement of salvation, and something that our faith upholds as the right thing to do.
Romans 3:27-31 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. 28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.
Read Galatians through Jamie. Use online cross reference for each verse you are wondering about as you read it. This way you will be using the Bible to interpret the Bible. Pay the closest attention to the Hagar and Sarah portion . I'm not trying to be difficult, but if you do this and are able to teach the book of Galatians from scriptural cross reference alone, your question will be answered.
At this point, I'm certain that you can't hear it from me.
But I assure you, if you are willing to fight through Galatians without anything but cross reference to other scripture, the answer will be there.
Awesome verses! Keep them coming, because they are precious pearls that strengthen faith in our inheritance bestowed by Jesus.
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Epoisses
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Gal. 5:4 blows your thread out of the water.
marhig
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In that same chapter a bit further down Paul says this.
For all the law is fulfilled in one word,*even*in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself
And then he goes on the talk about the works of the flesh and the fruit of the spirit. If we are being led by and walk in the spirit, then we should be showing the fruits of the spirit and be denying our fleshly desires and lusts
Paul also said that those who do the works of the flesh do not inherit the kingdom of God.
The key is love, and Jesus showed us the way to love everyone
Jesus observed the Law of Moses, is that how you define love?
Epoisses
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Because his entire ministry was under the old covenant prior to the cross. The gospel is his life, death and resurrection and 2 out of 3 hadn't been accomplished yet.
Epoisses
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Amen.
Galatians 3
1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified? 2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have you suffered so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain?
5 Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?— 6 just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” 11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.” 12 Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.”
13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”[h]), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified? 2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have you suffered so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain?
5 Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?— 6 just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” 11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.” 12 Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.”
13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”[h]), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
One could quote basically the entire book of Galatians and perhaps all of the Pauline epistles but this, along with what has already been posted should be more than sufficient.
Resting in Him,
Clete
Are you saying the old covenant did not negate love?
Epoisses
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The gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John should be seen as the gospel under construction. The epistles of Paul, John and Peter are the finished product.
Why is that?
Elia
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Bs"d
"You shall observe My judgments and keep My ordinances, to walk in them: I am Y-H-W-H your God. 5 You shall therefore keep My statutes and My judgments, which if a man does, he shall live by them: I am Y-H-W-H."
Lev 18
"But beyond this, my son, be warned: the writing of many books is endless, and excessive devotion to books is wearying to the body.
The conclusion, when all has been heard, is: FEAR GOD AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS, because this applies to every person. For God will bring every act to judgment, everything which is hidden, whether it is good or evil."
Ecc 12:12-14, New American Standard Bible
Elia
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Bs"d
In that case, there is not a single Christian who loves God and his neighbour, because no Christian lives by the law of God.
They prefer lawlessness and paganism.
"Serve Y-H-W-H! And if it seems evil to you to serve Y-H-W-H, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell.
But as for me and my house, we will serve Y-H-W-H!”
Joshua 24:14-15
Elia
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Bs"d
JC says the law stands for ever, Paul throws the law overboard:
The law stands for ever. That is what God said:
“So you shall observe the Feast of Unleavened Bread, for on this same day I will have brought your armies out of the land of Egypt. Therefore you shall observe this day throughout your generations as an everlasting ordinance."
Ex 12:17
"In the tabernacle of meeting, outside the veil which is before the Testimony, Aaron and his sons shall tend it from evening until morning before the Lord. It shall be a statute forever to their generations on behalf of the children of Israel."
Ex 27:21]
"This shall be a perpetual statute throughout your generations in all your dwellings: you shall eat neither fat nor blood.’”
Leviticus 3:17
"You shall eat neither bread nor parched grain nor fresh grain until the same day that you have brought an offering to your God; it shall be a statute forever throughout your generations in all your dwellings."
Leviticus 23:14
“‘Now if you as a community unintentionally fail to keep any of these commands the Lord gave Moses— 23 any of the Lord’s commands to you through him, from the day the Lord gave them and continuing through the generations to come" Numbers 15:23
There is much, much more like this, saying the law stands forever, for all generations.
There is no such a thing as: "The messiah will come and abolish the law". It just doesn't exist.
And, of course, JC himself also said the exact opposite of what the Christians say:
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Matt 5
So also JC agrees: The law stands forever.
It is only Paul who comes up with the idea that the law is abolished, but who is Paul that he thinks he can abolish the law??
"But beyond this, my son, be warned: the writing of many books is endless, and excessive devotion to books is wearying to the body.
The conclusion, when all has been heard, is: FEAR GOD AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS, because this applies to every person. For God will bring every act to judgment, everything which is hidden, whether it is good or evil."
Ecc 12:12-14, New American Standard Bible
Elia
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That's because he doesn't like what they say.
"O Y-H-W-H, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say, 'Surely our fathers have inherited lies, worthlessness and unprofitable things.' Will a man make gods for himself, which are not gods?"
Jeremiah 16:19