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The promises God made to the BOC are not the same promises God made to Israel.



The whole point of Gal 3, Acts 2, 3, Rom 4, Hebrews is that this is not the case. There is no such thing. it is 2P2P and it is a fraud. it was invented by a guy in the 1800s to whom the Bible did not make sense, specifically, 'weren't there separate promises?'

That is why to ignore what Acts 2:30 is saying about what David foresaw, or Gal 3 about what Gospel was announced in advance, or Acts 13:32+ (STP: NOT V23!!!) is to join the fraud and perpetuate it.

God is preached as SPECIFICALLY BEING RELIABLE for fulfilling all things in the resurrection, because the whole direction of God's work, even with Israel, was to become the missionaries of Messiah's Gospel to the islands and distant shores. It is for that exact reason that Acts 13 exists. It is for that exact reason that there is an inflammation of the Jewish listeners (many of them) to the Acts 13 sermon. That is the exact reason why nothing in Acts is about a future in the land, nor anywhere in the NT, and to continue to believe so is a fraud.
 
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Tambora said:
Paul uses many of the promises to Israel to describe.
Not as a replacement, but showing that GOD does things for different groups that are very similar in to how He did things for others.
So, JUST AS God called out a people (Israel) from among the world population to be His for a purpose, God also can call out another group (the BOC) from among the world population for another purpose and still maintain His promises to His group of Israel.

Sure, there are some new things.
But the old law and prophets have to be completely fulfilled in every single minute detail concerning Israel, which has not happened.
Meanwhile, God can deal with His new (not replaced) special called out group (the BOC) and will fulfill all promises made to them just as surely as we can count on Him fulfilling all promises made to Israel.

Has not been ignored at all.
Both have been discussed many times.
The promises God made to the BOC are not the same promises God made to Israel.
God will fulfill the promises He makes to whom He promises them to.

Hebrews 9.
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He definitely does not continue the previous promises; the whole point of Hebrews is about the replacement and reformation and the new order, the fading away of the old, and how the land that is cursed is about to be burned. How could anyone who knows the situation on the ground in the 1st century miss the meaning of that?
 
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Interplanner said:
He definitely does not continue the previous promises; the whole point of Hebrews is about the replacement and reformation and the new order, the fading away of the old, and how the land that is cursed is about to be burned. How could anyone who knows the situation on the ground in the 1st century miss the meaning of that?
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Your fairy tale has you so blinded to the truth.

Your commitment to your false premises is amazing.
 
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Posted above:
The promises God made to the BOC are not the same promises God made to Israel.



The whole point of Gal 3, Acts 2, 3, Rom 4, Hebrews is that this is not the case. There is no such thing. it is 2P2P and it is a fraud. it was invented by a guy in the 1800s to whom the Bible did not make sense, specifically, 'weren't there separate promises?'

That is why to ignore what Acts 2:30 is saying about what David foresaw, or Gal 3 about what Gospel was announced in advance, or Acts 13:32+ (STP: NOT V23!!!) is to join the fraud and perpetuate it.

God is preached as SPECIFICALLY BEING RELIABLE for fulfilling all things in the resurrection, because the whole direction of God's work, even with Israel, was to become the missionaries of Messiah's Gospel to the islands and distant shores. It is for that exact reason that Acts 13 exists. It is for that exact reason that there is an inflammation of the Jewish listeners (many of them) to the Acts 13 sermon. That is the exact reason why nothing in Acts is about a future in the land, nor anywhere in the NT, and to continue to believe so is a fraud.
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Matthew 10:23 (KJV)
 
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He definitely does not continue the previous promises; the whole point of Hebrews is about the replacement and reformation and the new order, the fading away of the old, and how the land that is cursed is about to be burned. How could anyone who knows the situation on the ground in the 1st century miss the meaning of that?
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To reiterate, generally speaking:


Genesis-Malachi- LAND
4 gospels, Hebrews-Revelation- CITY
Romans-Philemon- HEAVEN

You may as well get with the program.
 
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Interplanner said:
He definitely does not continue the previous promises; the whole point of Hebrews is about the replacement and reformation and the new order, the fading away of the old, and how the land that is cursed is about to be burned. How could anyone who knows the situation on the ground in the 1st century miss the meaning of that?
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Also nothing Tam said in that above piece is how we find things in Gal 3. She's just trying to harden a distinction that is not hardened by the NT.
 
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Tambora said:
Paul uses many of the promises to Israel to describe.
Not as a replacement, but showing that GOD does things for different groups that are very similar in to how He did things for others.
So, JUST AS God called out a people (Israel) from among the world population to be His for a purpose, God also can call out another group (the BOC) from among the world population for another purpose and still maintain His promises to His group of Israel.

Sure, there are some new things.
But the old law and prophets have to be completely fulfilled in every single minute detail concerning Israel, which has not happened.
Meanwhile, God can deal with His new (not replaced) special called out group (the BOC) and will fulfill all promises made to them just as surely as we can count on Him fulfilling all promises made to Israel.

Has not been ignored at all.
Both have been discussed many times.
The promises God made to the BOC are not the same promises God made to Israel.
God will fulfill the promises He makes to whom He promises them to.

Hebrews 9.
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You have not discussed your exploding of the new covenant in the passages mentioned there about the new covenant. You have only said your position is "right" what ever that means. When the passage says the new covenant is now, and is for the forgiveness of sins, and has nothing to do with the land/race of Israel, I go with the NT because that is the whole point here. We are not trying to preserve any ideology that says otherwise.
 
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Danoh said:
Nice, succinct layout :thumb:

Rom. 5:8; 14:5.

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Nothing in the Bible is structured that way. Not a single piece. It is totally man made thinking.

May I ask: how is it possible that you have these outlines but refuse, in 2 years here, to write out a whole page to be digested, as though it was some kind of sin. How can you have outlines but never do detail, trenchwork. It should be the most natural thing in the world to give 10 examples.

Just rremember, you are defending a system that decided to start with that the Bible does not make sense as found, on its own.
 
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Same promise throughout the chapter.
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You are grammatically dishonest. that kind of expression ALWAYS refers to whatever has been promised. It is a catch all. it is accumulative. You are dishonest. The Isaiah quote tells us everything we need to know, which is in perfect unity with Acts 2:30--that David foresaw that Ps 2 would happen in the resurrection. That was "This day."
 
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Where in the 'same' chapter is the clarification and appeasement by Paul that the hostile response from Judaism in 45 has nothing to worry about? where is that EVER in Acts?
 
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You are grammatically dishonest. that kind of expression ALWAYS refers to whatever has been promised. It is a catch all. it is accumulative. You are dishonest. The Isaiah quote tells us everything we need to know, which is in perfect unity with Acts 2:30--that David foresaw that Ps 2 would happen in the resurrection. That was "This day."
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Made up.
 
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