Which of course proves this entire debate is nothing more than a semantical game.Lighthouse said:
No-pay off. It's a platitude.
ARCHIVE: The Apostle Pauls affirms that a Christian can sin.
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No-pay off. It's a platitude.
I thought you were staying out of this one.godrulz said:
Who does the unrighteous thing, the new creation, or the old nature?Knight said:
Do you disagree with what I said?Knight said:
Romans 6 is written to alert us to the fact that we are no longer slaves to sin, and to warn us not to let sin reign in our mortal bodies. Paul is saying that we should not allow our old nature to sin [wilfully]. He is saying we should work to control it. Of course, we all know that we must have Christ's help to do this. And also, if we understand that we are not slaves to sin, then it is easier to avoid sin in the flesh, even more.
The person! Regardless of which nature is responsible, the person does the sinful thing.Lighthouse said:
I don't mind conceding that the flesh is what makes us sin (after all that is my position as well). But we are who we are! (Proverbs 23:7)
Imagine a man who is a Christian. Lets call him Fred. Fred is a Christian and he is in a department store with 4 other customers Bill, John, Peter, and Ted.
Fred grabs an iPod off the shelf and slips it into his pocket and he intentionally leaves the store without paying for it.
Out of the five men in the store, which one sinned?
A. Fred
B. Bill
C. Peter
D. Ted
E. None of the above.
Excellent! I couldn't agree more.Lighthouse said:
Yeah... who are you Sozo's evil twin brother?Benjamin said:
I have a hard time believing that someone who is in Christ would do such a thing.Knight said:
Do you believe it's impossible? (TOL poster elohiym thinks that).Lighthouse said:
If not, please answer the question I asked. :up:
Lighthouse if you want I can come up with a different example (other than stealing).
No, I don't. But it's easier to believe a Christian would "sin" against themselves than against others. However, it was Fred who sinned. But in his flesh, not his spirit.Knight said:
:up: Thank you.Lighthouse said:
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Sozo... is Lighthouse going to hell now?
Fred stole the iPod. So what? It was not stolen by a Christian, either way.
The premise is Fred is a Christian.Lighthouse said:
Oh wait... let me guess... the Christian part of Fred didn't steal the iPod, it was the fleshy part of Fred that did it, right? :rotfl:
Even if that is your argument Fred still sinned! (even if only the fleshy part did).
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You are the pervert. To you the law is not dead and you masquerade as a Christian. You clam marriage to the law and Jesus at the same time. You are a spiritual adulterer. and Christ dos not know you. he has not joined himself to you a religious harlot you pervert.Benjamin said: