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Of Centromeres and Telomeres 10/05/2001
Two cell biology reports are revealing that “mere” parts of DNA are vital. A news release in Nature announced that a university team in Cleveland, Ohio has sequenced the centromere of the human genome. These are the junction points that join the two strands of chromosomes. They consist of long repetitive sequences of genetic letters. Though no one understands how they work at this point, they parcel out equal shares of chromosomes during cell division. Flaws in the centromeres are implicated in many cancers.

In a second news item, a paper in the journal Cell discusses the role of telomeres in cell death and cancer. Telomeres are the “end caps” on DNA strands that prevent them from unraveling; at each cell division, the length of the telomere is reduced by one unit. Researchers found that the shortest telomere determines when the cell signals itself to die, not the average telomere length. Scientific American comments that cells with short telomeres act as if the DNA strand has broken, and receive a signal to “arrest or die as a protection against chromosome rearrangement and cancer.” When the telomere-repair tool, telomerase, is present, it lengthens the telomere just enough to function. Runaway telomere lengthening appears to be a characteristic of some cancers. A related paper published online in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences demonstrates that “telomere dysfunction triggers extensive DNA fragmentation and evolution of complex chromosome abnormalities in human malignant tumors.”

The human genome is so complex, its wonders continue to baffle scientists. It is also apparent that failures in its complex operations lead to cancer and death. When God told man that he would surely die, and cursed the world because of sin, it subjected the original perfect designs to malfunction and entropy. We see the grand design that points to a Designer, but we feel the malfunctions that take us eventually back to the dust from whence we came. Is it possible that early in the history of mankind, better centromere and telomere operation (with fewer accumulated mutations) could have allowed men to live for centuries, like Methuselah?

Evolutionists, however, continue to attribute these complex systems to chance, and look for ape in our ancestry at every turn. Consider this statement from the centromere story:
The group also compared sequences that bookend the alpha repeats with equivalent sections in primates. One part of an ancestral primate centromere is amplified in humans, they found. The work “gives a clear picture of how [the centromere] might have evolved”, says chromosome researcher William Brown of the University of Nottingham, UK. “It grew relatively recently in human evolution.” Even with the sequence in hand, no one knows how centromeres work . . . .

So nobody knows how they work, but it doesn’t stop this scientist from confidently stating with an air of authority how and when they evolved. In the presence of design perfection, a bit of humility is in order.
 

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Cell’s Golgi Body Recycles Itself Continuously 11/12/2001
The Golgi apparatus, a maze of channels near the nucleus of a cell whose function was mysterious a few decades ago, is gradually revealing its secrets. Scientists at Virginia Tech and Heidelberg have found that the proteins making up the apparatus are constantly being renewed, according to EurekAlert. One of the scientists describes what the Golgi body does:

"The Golgi apparatus is a complex organelle. It is involved in the processing of proteins destined for either secretion or for the outer surface of the cell. Traditionally, scientists have looked on the Golgi apparatus as a fixed structure that processed proteins in an assembly-line fashion.

The organelle is a cup-shaped arrangement of layers of flattened sac-like membranes that’s located in a characteristic place near the cell’s nucleus. Proteins are processed through the layers of the Golgi apparatus, with enzymes in each layer causing modifications as the proteins proceed through the layers, finally to be shuttled into vesicles that take them to the cell’s surface.

Vesicles are bubble-like containers that bud from the Golgi apparatus and transport proteins to the cell's surface membrane. The vesicles themselves are made of proteins, which are absorbed by the surface membrane when they have completed their mission.
Proteins are delivered to the Golgi apparatus for processing in vesicles that bud from the endoplasmic reticulum. Therefore . . . there is a constant flow of materials from the endoplasmic reticulum through the Golgi and to the cell’s outer surface."

The new “central finding” about the Golgi body is that it is “not a fixed structure, but that every component of it is recycled through the endoplasmic reticulum. This recycling allows the replacement of frayed proteins, acting as a kind of quality control to ensure the structure can perform its function.”

Update 01/11/2001: More on the Golgi apparatus in Science, “the central protein sorting station of the cell,” especially how it creates protein vesicles for transport: a very complicated series of steps involving enzymes and lipids working together.

If you drew pictures of cells in biology class years ago, just about all your teacher and textbook knew about the Golgi body was its name. Now we are seeing that it is a key processing site for proteins built by the ribosomes, and part of a complex assembly line with quality control built in. All these operations require energy that is generated by the ATP synthase motors, and everything is orchestrated by the master control library in the nucleus.

Articles like this usually hasten to discuss how we might use this knowledge for medicine or pharmaceuticals, but almost never ask the obvious question, How did these complex factories arise?. They just assume they “evolved” somehow. Surely more biochemists somewhere are beginning to have serious doubts that all this complexity could be the result of blind, purposeless, random collisions of molecules.
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Science marches on (leaving the antiquated concept of "random mutations plus natural selection" far behind in its dust.

Your Non-Essential Genes Protect You 11/23/2001
Scientists at the National Institutes of Health have been scanning through 3,760 non-essential genes in yeast and finding them not so useless after all. So far, they have found 107 that apparently protect from radiation and toxins in the environment. Non-essential genes are ones the organism can live without – grow and develop into maturity without apparent harm. When danger lurks, however, these genes are switched on and provide protection. Since these genes in yeast and mammals are similar, they expect similar protection is afforded humans by these “non-essential” genes. (Source: EurekAlert.)

Whatever happened to “junk DNA”? The more we learn, the more we find out “God don’t make no junk.”
 

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so .. how closely related to yeast are we?

*grin*
 

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bob b said:
I realize that evolutionists can not face the facts of the marvels of the cell. However, there may be some hope for those who have not completely embraced the absurdity of believing that a cell arose by natural means.
is there any such thing as the 'least complex' cell?
 

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Sunburn Repair Protein Found 11/26/2001
A protein named interleukin-12, a type of cytokine, has been found to be effective in reversing damage caused by the sun’s ultraviolet light. According to Nature Science Update, it appears to work by activating the DNA to edit out mistakes: “The protein appears to stimulate a cellular editing system that snips damaged pieces of DNA out of the sequence,” the report states. Cells with interleukin-12 were actually able to reverse sunburn damage. If IL-12 is this effective, other cytokines may also be involved in DNA repair. “This is probably the tip of the iceberg,” says Kenneth Kraemer of the National Institutes of Health, commenting on the paper in Nature Cell Biology.

How does a cell know how to find mistakes in the code and edit them out? Think of it; your body has debuggers!
 

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bob,

I don't think you're going to get any farther posting 1000 ill-informed, prescientific articles than you would posting just one ill-informed snippet. All of this garbage has been answered for over a hundred years. You have some catching up to do with your science reading. Start with Origin of Species by Charles Darwin. It is the latest scientific answer to the questions you are asking. It was written in 1859, is filled with evidence, and has never been refuted. Since the book was written, there has been tons more evidence in favor of the arguments.

Just because the people at the website you are posting from are 150 years behind in their understanding of science doesn't mean that you have to remain in ignorance.

Read the book, learn the theory, and then come back in a year or so to discuss. If you have any questions during your reading, I'd be glad to help. I am sure some of the other posters here can also answer questions. You have alot of resources available to help you have a better understanding of the world than creationsafaris.com.
 

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SUTG said:
Start with Origin of Species by Charles Darwin. It is the latest scientific answer to the questions you are asking. It was written in 1859, is filled with evidence, and has never been refuted. Since the book was written, there has been tons more evidence in favor of the arguments..

People like yourself who are naive are able to maintain this fiction only because they refuse to seriously consider the possibility that creatures were created at the beginning.

There is tons of evidence that creatures are able to adapt and change over time, but this is actually evidence favorable to the theory of creation.

Darwin's theory fails as it is extrapolated backwards in time to the beginning, which is why I am concentrating on informing people what has been and is being discovered about the marvels of the cell. Of course Darwin knew nothing of all this.

How Did Cell Nucleus Evolve? Nobody Knows 11/19/2001
In a new Explore feature, Scientific American investigates current thinking about how eukaryotic cells evolved a nucleus, and concludes that no theory currently explains all the facts. Some think that early cells developed a symbiotic relationship with bacteria or archaea, but the nucleus has unique features that are not present in either assumed progenitor. Every theory has serious objections. One biochemist admits, “We really probably don’t have any idea what happened. It does seem like, whatever happened, it was probably very complicated and not very sensible.”

Not sensible to naturalistic philosophy, that is. This is what happens when scientists feel obligated to explain life by materialistic means. This article makes a good case study for how a theory can sound plausible at first glance, until nasty details get in the way.
 

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bob b said:
Darwin's theory fails as it is extrapolated backwards in time to the beginning, which is why I am concentrating on informing people what has been and is being discovered about the marvels of the cell. Of course Darwin knew nothing of all this.

Methinks you couldn't pass a Biology 101 class with your abysmal misunderstanding of Darwinism. Everything you post has been addressed ages ago. Why not do some reading instead of posting the same nonsense again?

I'm surprised you don't start a thread saying the Earth is flat and then start posting articles asking why the people in China don't fall off.
 

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i'll tell you why we dont fall off for free ... the world isnt flat.
 

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Even Christians need to be reminded now and then that cells were designed Johnny.

How the Ameba Crawls 11/22/2001
Yale scientists have gained new insight into how cells move, reports EurekAlert. They’ve revealed the 3-D structure of seven proteins called the Arp2/3 complex that assembles actin proteins into filaments, which push the front of the cell forward. A similar process (actin polymerization) is involved in white blood cells moving to the site of an infection, and in neurons branching out into the million miles (more or less) of axons and dendrites in the human brain. Thomas Pollard of Yale, co-author of the paper in Science, explains how it works. Chemicals in the environment send messages to the Arp2/3 complex, which in turn cause it to orient the cell and move in a particular direction. He says, “Actin and Arp2/3 complex work like a peculiar motor in a car to make the cell move forward. Rather than turning wheels, the filaments grow like branches of a bush to push the cell forward. Arp2/3 complex is very ancient, having evolved in primitive cells well over one billion years ago.”

How can anyone look at this amazing mechanism, call it primitive and ancient, and say it just evolved? Do you know any other motors that are engineered by blind, undirected, impersonal forces? One of the characteristics that sets life apart from nonlife is its ability to respond to stimuli contrary to what would happen by chemistry and physics alone. The difference is analogous to a man climbing uphill vs a statue of a man falling downhill. To achieve autonomous movement, even the lowly ameba has to have plans and processes. What Darwin did not know, modern biochemistry has revealed: each cell has a detailed DNA code and transcription mechanism that builds precisely-engineered proteins (the Arp2/3 complex), which in turn assemble a motor protein (actin) at the appropriate end of a cell to make it move. An ameba may look simple, but the simplicity is deceiving; it moves where it wants! Rocks do not do this.
 

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Wonders of the Water Gate 12/20/2001
The Dec. 20 issue of Nature has a detailed description, with diagrams, of one of the water gates inside you (and all living things): AQP1, one of the aquaporins, the superfamily of complex proteins in cell membranes that transport water into the cell interior. There are ten families of these water channels. In this paper, Berkeley scientists achieve the highest yet resolution (2.2 Angstroms) of the structure of AQP1, and show it to be a highly-organized, specifically shaped and sized pore with inner and outer vestibules, between which is a constriction region with a “selectivity filter” that lets water in but not anything else.

The complexity of life continues to boggle the mind. Although this paper is difficult for laymen to read because of the technical jargon, the gist of it is clear: AQP1 is an elaborately designed security gate. Nebuchadnezzar or the Pentagon never had anything so marvelous. You would think water transport into a cell would be simple, that it might just leak across by osmosis, but no! The cell has to carefully regulate how much water comes in or goes out, and has to regulate every other substance – salts, ions, nutrients – very carefully, usually against the concentration gradient (i.e., contrary to what would happen naturally, by osmosis). This is called active transport. A cell has to be able to take in scarce water while its surroundings are drying up. How? This article opens a window into the answer, and it is wondrous.

It can best be approximated by analogies: think of an automated turnstile that whisks you through the eye of the needle if you pass authentication, but blows you away if you are an alien. Think of a multi-tier security check that reads your badge electronically at Stage 1 then checks your fingerprint at Stage 2, then transports you through an isolation gate so narrow you have to inhale as you pass single file. Think of a club with an outer bouncer that won’t even let you near the door if you don’t belong, but grabs your hand and pulls you in if you are a member. Think of all these systems, yet completely automated, and you start to get a picture of AQP1.

To be able to do all this, AQP1 has to be composed of thousands of atoms, composing hundreds of amino acids, all left handed and precisely ordered; even the substitution of a single amino acid at the “selectivity filter” would alter the security checks and let aliens in. (The authors describe another channel in bacteria that, with a difference of one or two elements, allows glycerol through.) The channel is composed of four complex proteins arranged into a tight ring through which the security pore passes from interior to exterior of the cell. These water gates are “highly conserved” (i.e., unchanged) in all living things from bacteria to people, showing no variation from simple to complex; it is complex from the very beginning.

We spend a little time on this little marvel just to remind readers of the wonders of God’s creation being revealed by modern biochemistry, and to emphasize the difficulty evolution has explaining this kind of design. The argument for design in the cell has a one-two punch: irreducible complexity (multiple parts must simultaneously be present or there is no function), and (2) the sheer magnitude of the design. This water gate AQP1 is one of the simpler structures in the cell, yet look at the level of complexity even here. And each other molecule the cell must transport in or out has its own elaborate gate as well, some more sophisticated than this one. This alone should blow evolution out of the water, but there are hundreds, if not thousands, of other examples here in the most simple, basic unit of life, the cell. It’s as if God did overkill on the message design demands a Designer, just when modern science needs to hear it most.
 

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bob b said:
Sunburn Repair Protein Found 11/26/2001
A protein named interleukin-12, a type of cytokine, has been found to be effective in reversing damage caused by the sun’s ultraviolet light. According to Nature Science Update, it appears to work by activating the DNA to edit out mistakes: “The protein appears to stimulate a cellular editing system that snips damaged pieces of DNA out of the sequence,” the report states. Cells with interleukin-12 were actually able to reverse sunburn damage. If IL-12 is this effective, other cytokines may also be involved in DNA repair. “This is probably the tip of the iceberg,” says Kenneth Kraemer of the National Institutes of Health, commenting on the paper in Nature Cell Biology.

How does a cell know how to find mistakes in the code and edit them out? Think of it; your body has debuggers!

Bob, Kindly give your sources when pasting information like this on the forum. This one, for instance, is from:
http://creationsafaris.com/crev1101.htm
 

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chair said:
Bob, Kindly give your sources when pasting information like this on the forum. This one, for instance, is from:
http://creationsafaris.com/crev1101.htm

They're all from creationsafaris.com. The bad news is that he is only on the year 2001. :chuckle: I think he searched their site for the word "cell" and is posting every ill-informed article that turned up.

I think he is hoping that if repeats the same discredited pseudoscience enough times it will magically become real science.
 

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chair said:
Bob, Kindly give your sources when pasting information like this on the forum.

Apparently you did not read the initial posting on this thread which stated that ALL of the sources I would be using for my postings would be from creationsafaris.com, which in turn summarize and reference information from articles in the mainline scientific journals..

I started with the earliest one they had back in late 2000 and am gradually working my way up to the present. We are now at December 2001.

Lots more cellular specified complexity to go!!! :D
 
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