If you mean the preference/hate part were talking about entire races.
Liberalism is Dead and Evangelicals Don't Deserve It Anyway
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If you mean the preference/hate part were talking about entire races.
No, your tolerance does not grantee you the right to be tolerated in return. Your increasingly open and repugnant racism is, in fact, intolerable.
Lon
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Really? Herod? Jezebel? Ahab? Cain? Satan? The Rolling Stones?
:think: He was two-faced and no friend to Christians. Romans 12:19
Yes, for sure. Absolutely.
Good thing your erroneous belief has not much at all to do with it, no?
Sad, but the goodnews? You aren't two-faced enough to have been anything like him so the world
Incorrect. I can. If given the opportunity, I'd not make Muslim camps. We Christians (not you?) seek His kingdom come, His will be done. It isn't extermination. "If" it is not a better way, Christianity cannot survive. The point of departure, is here, Trad. If you do not do this His way, you are off doing it 'your' way and will stand before Him as a guy trying to usurp Him or 'do Him a favor.' Don't be that guy. Proverbs 3:34
drbrumley
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Wow, that Nazi love fest was really something.lain:
Sickening is more like it....how can anyone say if they were in Hitler's shoes, they would probably do the same thing. Tragic really.
[MENTION=7660]Traditio[/MENTION], you still have not explained the Jewish problem.... what is it?
Trying to exterminate an entire group of people may not be exactly unique or unprecedented but it also isn't the run of the mill stuff. You're just trying to deflect to make your hero look better. It's not pretty to watch.
It's hard to understand how you can say all of that which I consider to be pretty reasonable but then you finish with the junk below. I agree with a lot of this. I even agree with some of what you criticize above. But I think you reach an absurd conclusion that may or may not be underpinned by racism against minorities.
If you don't also see criticism of our economic system then you're missing it. The economic system is criticized. Guess which party fights against those changes. Guess which party is driven mostly by white people like Trump.
lain: Just a couple quick hits from the rest of your post that I cut out:
- I don't think races are monoliths.
- The reaction I was talking about is that the racialized society you hate did not start with the people you're outraged with now.
- I didn't say AA programs are designed to fight discrimination. It's designed to fight the effects of it.
So your options are to institute drastic economic reforms to help black people or send them all back to Africa. :freak:
It'd be easier if you and Spencer and his ilk leave. :wave2:
You likely disagree with me because you don't fully understand what I'm saying.
I think that you and Lon are reading me as saying that had I, Traditio, with my life experiences, cultural background, etc. been in Hitler's shoes, I would have done the things that Hitler did.
That is absolutely not what I am saying. Had I, Traditio, been in Hitler's circumstances, the course of history would have run much differently.
But that's not what I mean.
Essentially, what I am saying is that if you, or Lon, or I were to have essentially BEEN Hitler, if we would have had his parents, been a part of his cultural milieu, had his cultural, parental, etc. upbringing, had his unique life experiences, had syphilis, etc., then we likely would have done what he did, at least, for the most part.
This is essentially the same as the question of whether Hitler could have acted differently. The answer, of course, is yes, but the fact that he acted as he did shouldn't be particularly surprising, all things considered.
Of course Hitler interned the Jews. When someone who was a part of that particular cultural zeitgeist considered the fact that so many of the Marxist revolutionaries, and so many of those with international corporate interests (especially among the bankers) were Jews, and when he considered how both of these things were gravely contrary to the interests of the German people, it is not a great leap to go from "There are a lot of Jews who are screwing things up for us" to "All of the Jews are a problem [except for a select few, e.g., Hitler's doctor, who was apparently an all around good guy, and whom Hitler recognized as such]." And it's not a leap from that to putting them in internment camps, especially once the second world war was under way.
And once Germany started losing and they were facing significant economic hardships (e.g., literal starvation), it's not really surprising that the holocaust happened.
And again, I pose you the question:
What if the war had gone differently? What do you think would have happened to the ethnic japanese being detained by the US in internment camps?
Jews have a vastly disproportionate influence on the media, the economy and politics.
And, dare I say, on various academic fields.
That is an indisputable fact.
Not to mention the Jewish tendency to have a strong in-group preference.
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Lon
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Nature, nurture, or grace? Are we blank slates? Pavlovian/Skinnarian animals? I had a horrific childhood and worse than Hitler's privileged life. I'm convinced we are not merely the products of our environments. I'm convinced more, that God can reach into the darkest mess Romans 8:58
I really wonder, at times, if your mind is set on earthly things, or heavenly things. Only you can answer that, but the Lord Jesus Christ often called the Disciples and all others, to get their minds off of earthly things.
It 'seems' like it was partially what you meant
Whether or not, these people are in God's hands. Lest you find yourself vying against God, lest these people are still God's chosen, though rejecting; you might rethink angst. I certainly don't deserve grace. You certainly don't deserve grace. There is no 'deserve' to blessings, lest you are jealous, covetous, and envious of another man's blessing. Be careful, it may be all you and he ever receive in this life. Abraham was looking for a city, whose Builder and Maker were God. Only those like him, will inherit the imperishable.
Lon
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My step father had to go in before the judge for shooting a deer out of season. The fine, even way back then was huge. The judge asked why. "Out of work, kids hungry." The judged ordered him pay $10 for a hunting license and told him to take the deer (held in a freezer or something by the court)home to his family. I wonder sometimes if the judge is willing to lose face like in your story, for the sake of kids. It gives me hope. :e4e:
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The original inhabitants of North America were not born in North America. Did you not know this?
gcthomas
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But they claimed and populated an empty land. That puts European immigrants into a rather different category.
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So the first person to set foot on the North American continent has the right to claim the entire thing?
gcthomas
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They have lived in the land for 15 thousand years before Europeans came and took their land from them. Should the possession of firearms and virulent diseases have given the settlers the right to take the land others already occupied?
We can't have this conversation without invoking stereotypical language, and that being said:
I think that rather than saying there's a "Jewish problem," that there's a problem with everybody else. There's a deficiency among other people, of discipline, of wisdom, and/or some other bona fide qualities perhaps. There's a laziness problem with everybody else IOW, a problem of sloth, is my first thought.
If we all were more "Jew-ish," then wouldn't your so-called "Jewish problem" go away, without any discrimination or violence or bloodshed? And wouldn't the world be far better off for it?
Agreed. Jews are outnumbered about 500-to-1. They pose more than a 1/500th influence on the world. But there's one thought, that it's due to a conspiracy. And then there's another, that it's something other than a conspiracy.
I think that rather than saying there's a "Jewish problem," that there's a problem with everybody else. There's a deficiency among other people, of discipline, of wisdom, and/or some other bona fide qualities perhaps. There's a laziness problem with everybody else IOW, a problem of sloth, is my first thought.
If we all were more "Jew-ish," then wouldn't your so-called "Jewish problem" go away, without any discrimination or violence or bloodshed? And wouldn't the world be far better off for it?
But don't all families do that? I know mine does, and most other families I know of do too. I don't think that's bad, necessarily, so long as it doesn't interfere with justice.
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Nope. Just keeping it real. But I do like your speculation.
What's your take on the natives fighting over the land among themselves? There are many examples of different tribes slaughtering each other over different parts of the land.
P.S. I'm not in any way trying to justify certain brutalities perpetrated by "Europeans".
gcthomas
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Sounds like brutish lives. But property rights were brought in with European settlers, so it would be odd not to recognise native rights.
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Europeans invented property rights?
gcthomas
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All sorts of people invented property rights. :idunno:
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So the Native Americans did not have property rights until the Europeans "brought" them?
Who are these "all sorts of people" that invented property rights? Were none of them Native Americans?
You're talking in circles.
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