Funny, it was God gave us. And your Jesus thought it wasn't such a bad thing.
Go figure.
The Meaning of 666, The Reason for the Riddle
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Funny, it was God gave us. And your Jesus thought it wasn't such a bad thing.
Go figure.
beloved57
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The meaning of 666 is the number of a man. Its meaning is man naturally without God, attempting to be accepted of God without Christ being revealed to them as their Righteousness. Prov 14:12
[FONT="]There is a [/FONT]way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
Rev 13:18
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
[FONT="]There is a [/FONT]way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
Rev 13:18
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Blahahahaha, speaking the truth about a topic and posting that truth from the scripture is not thread derailing, (though it may have derailed some peoples theories). If there were 666 children of Bethlehem in the same passage, (Ezra 2:21), would that also make Bethlehem a possible candidate for the antichrist according to you? Or if there were 666 children of Anathoth in the same passage, (Ezra 2:23), would that also make the city of Anathoth a possible candidate for the antichrist according to you? You know Anathoth from the scripture, right? The city of Benjamin according to Joshua 21:17,18 and 1Chr 6:60, the city from which the prophet Jeremiah came? (Jer 1:1)? Oh no! Lookie! 1Chr 6:60 is only missing one of the sixes in the verse reference! Perhaps Anathoth really is the antichrist! Run for the hills! Anathoth is coming! You won't be able to buy or sell for seven years of great tribulation! Don't get tagged with the final six, Epi-shesh!
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CherubRam
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Epoisses
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What about the other names on the list, loser. You know the ones I used to blow you and Chair's arguments out of the water. Cut off from grace Daqq, the thorn in the flesh to every believer in Christ!
Elam - listed in Neh. 10 with the sealed
Shephatiah - a name of one of David's sons
Bani - the name of one of david's mighty men and several levites
Azgad - listed in Nehemiah among those who were sealed
Bigvai - listed in Nehemiah 10 as one who was sealed
Adin - listed in Nehemiah 10 with those who were sealed
Ater of Hezekiah - listed in Nehemiah 10 with the sealed
Bezai - listed in Nehemiah 10 with the sealed
Hashum - listed in Nehemiah 10 with the sealed priests
Azmaveth - one of David's mighty men, descendant of Jonathan
Harim - listed in Neh. 10 and 12 of the sealed priests
Jedaiah - a Levite priest
Many of these names are repeated in Nehemiah 10 with the sealed priests, are they places?
Daqq the loser strikes out again!
Originally Posted by CherubRam
VICARIUS FILII DEI 666, The Number of the Beast: http://biblelight.net/666.htm
What did you think about this link?
You did not address anyone but your post came right after mine: were you asking me? I did read some of the link, and it is interesting, but I do not give much credence to Latin gematria because the scriptures were not written in Latin to begin with. One thing I noticed though, there is apparently an old rendering of Caesar Neron spelled that way in one of the DSS, (with no yod in the word Caesar and the nun at the end of Nero
as they say in the article). However the name or title Caesar is generally and more typically spelled with the yod in Hebrew, (קיסר). If you take the modern spelling of Tiberius Caesar for example, from Luke 3:1, טיבריוס קיסר, (see here), the gematria is 667. This seems a little too close to be mere coincidence, for we know that most all the names in the Greek texts have been altered so as to add Greek case endings to the ends of names for grammatical purposes. This can be shown from places like the genealogies in the texts where the names have not been altered to give them case endings in many instances. The name of Yaakob is a good example, for it is rendered "Jacob" in the genealogies where the case endings have not been added; but everywhere else in the NT, where the case endings have been added, they render it James, (supposedly the difference between ιακωβ and ιακωβος, Yakob and Yakobos, but they are in fact the same name, which is Yakob and not "James"). This means that it is very possible that the name Tiberius may also have been tampered with. There are many places where word-plays and innuendoes occur, where words and names are intentionally misspelled because it changes the meaning and thus conforms to what the author may be attempting to portray. In both John 6 and at the end of the Gospel of John we have the Sea of Tiberias mentioned several times, (twice in John 6 and once in John 21:1), where the name used for the Sea of Galilee is the Sea of Tiberias, (τιβεριαδος transliterated Tiberiados but rendered as Tiberias). In the modern Hebrew versions this is simply spelled with the letter hey at the end, טיבריה, (see here, John 6:1, and scroll down for the other two places which are on the same page). As it is now the waw is used at the end of Tiberius in modern Hebrew to make the "u" sound in "Tiberius", but what if the name was written originally with the sound "ah" at the end? (which in this case would be the hey, ה), so as to make a symbolic point? The waw is six while the hey is five: that is the difference between 667 and 666. It could be, or it may not be, we will never know for sure, (unless more ancient manuscripts are uncovered which shed new light), because the later Christian scribes changed the endings of most all names in the Greek texts so as to add case endings for grammatical purposes. They did the same in fooling around with the so-called "Nomina Sacra" by adding case endings to the Nomina Sacra, (and there is no doubt about this). :nono:Luke 3:1-3
[01] In the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberias Kaesar, Potes Peilat governing the territories of Yhudah, (behold, the number of the names, טיבריהס קיסר and פוטס פלאת, and Potes is Ponti, that is, a Pontif, like Poti-Pherah, Kohen of On, the city of the Sun, Egypt), Herod being tetrarch of the Galil:
[02] Philippo his brother being tetrarch of Iturea and the region of Trachoniti, Lysanias being tetrarch of Abilene, Anan and Kaiapha being chief Kohanim, (the number of the names, ΑΝΝΑΚΑΙΚΑΙΑΦΑ)
[03] The Word of Elohim came unto Yohanan ben Zkaryah in the desert-wilderness.
So the dating and authorship of the Apokalypse according to modern Christiandom is also bogus. It was penned by Yohanan the Kohen: and it was penned before Golgotha. As for Potes Pelat that is indeed found in some places in one of the Shem Tob manuscript versions of Hebrew Matthew, (and in all the oldest Greek manuscripts we read Peilato and its forms, not Pilato). And the term Ponti goes all the way back to Egypt, (the Romans borrowed it from the Egyptians). The high priest of the Egyptians was called "Phonti", and possibly "Phera", which may imply "chief", perhaps like the title "Pharoah", (and in Coptic, as already said earlier in Reply#84, "Honti" was the equivalent for "Phonti", and the etymology evolves from these two). So while Caesar himself was called Pontifex Maximus, ("Pontif Maxim" was stamped on the reverse of the first century Roman coinage, including the coin shown to the Master by the Pharisees and the Herodians in the Gospel accounts), those who served under Caesar, the higher-ups in government who answered directly to Caesar, (such as Pontius Pilate), were also called Pontif because they were likened to a lesser priesthood of Pontifs who served under the Pontif Maxim, Caesar. Now take the Hebrew and Greek names in the above passage and go insert them into your antichrist calculator. :chuckle: (It is not about Nero because he was not yet ruling when the Apokalypse was written).
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As well as in Greek . . .
Who is next? Oh yeah, Potes Pelate, or I suppose I should say, Pontios Peilatos, (Peilatos is the spelling in most all of the western text types), the Pontiff under Caesar, the Pontiff Maxim, (for the subservient rulers under Caesar were also considered Pontiffs, just not Pontifex Maximus, who was Caesar the head of the empire).
Peilato – A word play on απειλη? – "a menace" (from απειλεω, to menace or threaten)
Pontio – 1) "Of the sea" or "From the Sea" – Pontio Peilate: "Menace from the Sea" (Rome)
Pontio – 2) "Pontif" (priest of the sun god) – Egyptian – Phonti (Chartoumim of Exodus 7-9)
Potes - Ποτης – "Ruler" (but not "absolute ruler" which in Greek is Δεσ-ποτης)
It is quite possible therefore that Δεσποτης (Absolute Ruler), is an obscure ancient Greek way of saying Pontif Maxim, for no one seems to know what Ποτης means or where it came from. But when you view the terminology in light of the focus herein it makes sense: Despotes no doubt means Absolute Ruler, (Pontiff Maxim), while Potes simply means a Pontif-Ruler who is subservient under the supreme Despotes, (Pontif Maxim). This comes through in the surname of Pilate, in the Greek, which surname is Pontios, (Pontif). At the same time it appears quite similar to the first portion of the name Poti-pherah, who was priest of On, whose daughter Pharaoh gave to Yoseph for wife:
Genesis 41:45 KJV
45 And Pharaoh called Joseph's name Zaphnath-paaneah; and he gave him to wife Asenath the daughter of Poti-pherah priest of On. And Joseph went out over all the land of Egypt.
City of On = "City of the Sun" (Greek Heliopolis)
Poti-Pherah – פוטי פרע – Pontif (Poti) Maxim (Pherah) of Heliopolis-On
Potes Pelat – פוטס פלאט – Shem-Tob Matthew 27 variants
Pontios – Shem-Tob MSS "G" Matthew 27:2 reads "Potes" – פוטס
Peilatos – Shem-Tob MSS "G" Matthew 27:24 reads "Pelat" – פלאט
Concerning the word Pelat, there are places where the yodh, (making the spelling "Pilat"), is missing in Hebrew, (though more often it is found in the word). Also concerning the final letter of the word Pelat: since the spelling concerns a name, the usage of the either tet or tav at the end of Pelat is arbitrary, (depending on who understands the true meaning of the name), and therefore, we have no way of knowing which letter may have been used in the original Hebrew text because the Hebrew Shem-Tob came centuries later; and one cannot even be sure if it was taken from another Hebrew manuscript or taken from a Greek manuscript and then rendered into Hebrew, (meaning, if so, then whoever originally rendered it into Hebrew from Greek made his own decision on the final letter of Pelat to begin with, which decision we cannot know anything about at this point).
However tav certainly seems the most appropriate for the final letter of the name "Pelat" because of the meaning of the letter itself: finality, (fate)sealed, judgment, even death, for the letter itself, being the final letter of the alephbet, is formed with two other letters; the dalet and the nun, (the letters for Dan and judgment). Potes Peilat certainly fulfilled the role of all these things during the trial of Meshiah, that is, finality, acting as final arbitrator and judge, judgment, death, and even idolatrous sun worship going all the way back to Egypt, from whom the Romans took plenty of terminology and pagan ideology, (Pontio - Pontiff, that is Egyptian Phonti, Coptic Honti, and came into Latin as Pontif). In the "Gospel of Nicodemus", (aka "Acts of Pilate"), Pontios Peilatos washes his hands "before the sun", meaning the sun god, whom he clearly honors by such a statement and gesture.
Potes Pelat – פוטס פלאת = Gematria 666
Moreover the word "pote" in Greek, spelled with epsilon, (ποτε), simply means "at whatever time", (generally rendered as "when"). But if it were used in the sense of a name, because all names have meaning and generally represent some form of character or quality in the person having the name, it would be like saying, "man of the hour", "man of the occasion", "timely man", or "opportune man", (fit man), which is precisely what Lev 16:21 prescribes for such a one as he who released Bar-Abbas back into the desert.
G4219 πότε pote (po'-te) prt.
interrogative adverb, at what time.
[from the base of G4226 and G5037]
On a final note, another interesting point about "Pontio Peilate" is that, if indeed his name also means,"Menace from the Sea", then it would place him in the same typological category as Sisera, (Judges Ch. 4&5). But perhaps there may be someone else around here who knows a bit more about such things.
כרוב הסכך (Covering Cherub, (haKohen haGadol)) ― Eze 28:16 ― Gematria 333
Καισαρα (Caesar) ― John 19:15 ― Gematria 333
Καισαρα ΤΚΒΑΘΑ = 333+333 ― Gematria 666
טיבריהס קיסר ― Tiberias Caesar ― Gematria 666
פוטס פלאת ― Potes Peilat (Pontios Peilatos) ― Gematria 666
Αννα και Καιαφα ― Anan and Kaiapha ― Gematria 666
Herod + leaven = הורודוס ― H6R6D6S
Perushim + leaven = פירושיין (Perushiin) ― Gematria 666
Tzadukim + leaven = שודושים (Shaddusim/Showddusim) ― Gematria 666
Beware of the leaven of Herod, and of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of the Sadducees: for the kingdom of the heavens is like leaven, which a woman took and concealed in three measures of flour, until the whole lump was leavened. Your heavens and your earth shall pass away, but the words of the Master shall not pass away: and they shall be fulfilled to each in his or her own appointed times, and none shall be alone in his appointed times. No exceptions to the rule if you will enter in. :chuckle:
Those were quotes from his Testimony whom you apparently do not know:
Matthew 16:6-12
6 Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
7 And they reasoned among themselves, saying, It is because we have taken no bread.
8 Which when Jesus perceived, he said unto them, O ye of little faith, why reason ye among yourselves, because ye have brought no bread?
9 Do ye not yet understand, neither remember the five loaves of the five thousand, and how many baskets ye took up?
10 Neither the seven loaves of the four thousand, and how many baskets ye took up?
11 How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?
12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
Mark 8:15
15 And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod.
Luke 12:1
1 In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.
Matthew 10:17-18
17 But beware of men: [anthropon-manfaced countenances - Jude 1:4 ASV] for they will deliver you up to the sanhedrins, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the heathen.
Matthew 13:33
33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of flour, till the whole was leavened.
Matthew 24:35
35 The heavens and the earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
John 6:63
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
You cannot know him because you refuse to consume his Testimony.
Twisting the scripture, twisting the Testimony of the Messiah whom you claim to know and love and even worship, calling his followers anti-christ, blaspheming the Holy Spirit within me and the Testimony of the Messiah which and Who is in me, blaspheming the Spirit of my heavenly Father, (Mat 10:20), which and Who speaks through me when I quote the Testimony of His beloved Son, blaspheming for calling my heavenly Father a spirit of anti-christ: and for what purpose do you do all this and destroy your own soul? You do it just so that you can make an empty and baseless accusation which has already been proven to be false. You sold your soul awfully cheap: but I suppose if your soul is worth nothing to you then you have now your reward.
Epoisses
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Twisting the scripture, twisting the Testimony of the Messiah whom you claim to know and love and even worship, calling his followers anti-christ, blaspheming the Holy Spirit within me and the Testimony of the Messiah which and Who is in me, blaspheming the Spirit of my heavenly Father, (Mat 10:20), which and Who speaks through me when I quote the Testimony of His beloved Son, blaspheming for calling my heavenly Father a spirit of anti-christ: and for what purpose do you do all this and destroy your own soul? You do it just so that you can make an empty and baseless accusation which has already been proven to be false. You sold your soul awfully cheap: but I suppose if your soul is worth nothing to you then you have now your reward.
Beware of the leaven of Daqq a stupid lost soul who hates truth and righteousness. When someone caves to the temptations of the devil they don't turn into axe murderers they get assimilated into the works-righteousness gospel where they spout Torah over and over and over. It's important to see what real evil looks like.
LetsObeyChrist
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It's Nero, Nero Caesar translated into Hebrew counts to 666, and in Greek instead, it counts to 616, and some copies of Revelation have 616 instead of 666, belying that it was Nero.
I agree on both counts. Nero was the "king" (emperor) of the Roman Empire, and he had his own money, coins with his image and his name ("Nero Caesar") right on them, some of bronze, some silver, and some gold.
That's correct, but I think it's a red herring. A coin, when buying and selling, will be in either the left or the right hand. The mark is "Nero Caesar," and that's right on the coin, right on the gold, and the mark, when the coin is in the right hand, is on the right hand. If it's on the right hand, then it's logically technically true that it's on the forehead or the right hand.