Trump's Election an Echo, Not Foreshadowing

Town Heretic

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Trump took to social media to protest the treatment of his VP in a theater. Look, I don't believe that the cast of a play should lecture the VP elect any more than I'd want to see Bernie lectured every time he stands in line at Chic fil A. People should do their job and respect their patrons. Other patrons should find their manners and reserve their personal responses for their personal spaces or for places where everyone has the reasonable expectation related.

That said, Trump should leave off. Calling the production overrated before demanding an apology illustrates one of the things that led most Americans to believe he isn't presidential timber, including some who voted for him. Be bigger than the guy who is talking out of turn. Don't engage a heckler if you're the leader of the free world. There's nothing to win by it and you only end up promoting the other fellow(s).
 

Catholic Crusader

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Trump's Election an Echo, Not Foreshadowing

More ignorance from the queen of ignorance, Town Heretic. The only echo I see is you saying what liberals said about Reagan, that he was a buffoon and his politics would soon pass. Quite the opposite happened.

I was interested to learn that soon after Reagan was elected, drunk Teddy Kennedy actually contacted the Soviets and told them that Reagan's politics would be a passing thing and that soon they could get back to business as usual. History has proven the opposite. The Reagan Revolution led to the Republicans taking Congress for the first time in 60 years, then the Bushes, and now Trump. The Reagan Revolution has also lead to our overwhelming control of state houses and legislatures.

Of course, this is all lost on idiots like Town Heretic.
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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Not really. Remember the Baby Boomers were the progressive liberal hippies (free love, drugs, anti-establishment) of the 1960's who fought for change through protests, riots, sit-ins, love-ins, Woodstock, and draft dodging. Yet, today the Baby Boomers as a whole are very conservative.

According to research today's Millenials are just as "racist" as their parents.

Millennials are just about as racist as their parents

When the Millenials are middle aged and are in power politically and economically (about 15-20 years from now) they'll act just like the Baby Boomers. As the Millenials get older they will become more conservative as a generation. This shift is starting to happen already.

Millennials more conservative than you may think


Another example is when Millenials get married and have children they prefer traditional gender roles which makes sense since the traditonal patriarchical led marriage is the best way to raise a family.

Millennial Men Aren’t the Dads They Thought They’d Be

Like the old saying: "If you aren’t a liberal when you’re young, you have no heart, but if you aren’t a middle-aged conservative, you have no brain."
 

Town Heretic

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More ignorance from the queen of ignorance, Town Heretic.
You nearly had an aneurysm coming up with that one, didn't you. :)

The only echo I see is you saying what liberals said about Reagan, that he was a buffoon and his politics would soon pass.
That's probably because you can't read very well, which would explain a lot of your posts. :think:

No, what I noted is that without growing its base and expanding its influence the party is in trouble. Without an immensely unpopular opponent (who still out performed him with the electorate, but not within the artificial stricture of the EC) Trump isn't elected. The party can't rest on that confluence if it means to survive, given the generations coming up are pronounced in their left leaning and minorities aren't being strongly attracted to a party that appears to be a reactive, aging, shrinking group of paranoid white people.

Reagan had a genuine popularity across a range of supporters. His years as an actor and a natural charisma translated into a presidency where even many of the people who often and strongly differed with his politics tended to like him.

Trump has people who voted for him who don't like him.

The Reagan Revolution has also lead to our overwhelming control of state houses and legislatures. Of course, this is all lost on idiots like Town Heretic.
It isn't, but you'd have to ask and listen to know that, which doesn't appear to be your strong suit.
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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I grew up in a Democrat environment. Both my Mom and Dad were Democrats. My Sister and I were taught that Democrats were for the "little guy" and Republicans were for the rich. I'm a Baby Boomer, of course. I grew up and have always voted Republican. However, the Republican party isn't conservative enough for me these days. The Democrats of old weren't as liberal as they are today and the Republicans have sort of let me down a wee bit. So, I like to think of myself as a "CONSERVATIVE" at best and not a Republican. However, Republicans are closer to Conservatism than are the Liberal Democrats so, I'm forced to vote "Straight down the line Republican."

My Dad, although being a Democrat was a Marine WW2 Veteran and a true Patriot of this country. I would have to admit, if he had lived past 1971, he would have become a Republican due to his belief in our country and Flag. He was basically a "Very Conservative Democrat during his life." Not the kind of Democrat we see today.
 

musterion

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Like the old saying: "If you aren’t a liberal when you’re young, you have no heart, but if you aren’t a middle-aged conservative, you have no brain."

Talked with my Dad yesterday. He tells me I would not recognize my life-long liberal pro-union older brother. He's gone 100% conservative and pro-Trump. I know my brother realized the regime's lies about the economy wasn't matching what he was seeing but last time we spoke, that wasn't making any difference to him, so I asked Dad what finally pushed him over the line. Turns out my brother was "relieved" of his tax return - which they badly needed - because he'd signed up for Obamacare.

Dead serious -- this guy was the stereotypical liberal Koolaid drinker for whom Obama could do NO wrong, last we spoke some years ago.
 

musterion

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Just goes to prove that other old saying, A conservative is a liberal who got mugged by reality (or by other liberals).
 

musterion

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The point is that he GOT hit, idiot, by the Left. That's was all his fault --we tried to warn him and he didn't listen. It took pain to disillusion him. He learned a 100 year old lesson: your side always ends up eating its own. Now he knows better. Apparently there's no such hope for you.
 

Town Heretic

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The point is that he GOT hit, idiot, by the Left.
That's your point, though the "idiot" part does go some way to demonstrating that the further out on a political branch you go the lower the branch tends to sag. Anyway, my point was that he appears to have principles unattached to his person and when those "principles" required something of him he became as loudly something else...not much principle in that at all, really. And so, my use of LINO.

He learned a 100 year old lesson: your side always ends up eating its own.
That's what the left thinks of the right and the RINO business, which was also a part of my response.

Now he knows better. Apparently there's no such hope for you.
I've known people like that before. Had a friend who went on and on about the evils of drink and premarital sex until he got a hot girlfriend who liked wine. . . Then he found a new principle. I know people like you, too, incapable of crediting an honest or thoughtful impulse that isn't lock step with their own.


You have to give credit to TH, he is 100% in his consistency of error, leftism, and ignorance.
Thanks for underscoring my point about extremists and that limb. :thumb:
 

ok doser

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All the Democratic Party really has to do is regroup and get ready for the next time up. Stop sabre-rattling and venting and begin the work of sounding a hopeful, inclusive, compassionate vision of a united people and a government engaged primarily with the welfare of its citizenry.

"the welfare of its citizenry"??? :freak:

oh, you mean unless they are unborn children

or decent people with morals who understand that adultery, pornography, homosexuality and other perversions are wrong

or people who believe in law and order


town said:
If you're a conservative, you have two alternatives. You can simply savor the day and momentarily roll back any number of left driven institutional notions, until the inevitable wave of youth and minority growth within the population washes over you and undoes your reversals in the midst of your own inevitable undoing, or you can strike a new note, actually grow your base, incorporate a conservatively progressive approach ...


good one - we won the white house and both houses in congress, and you think the answer to our dilemma of being successful is to compromise?

:darwinsm:


:mock: town, the "moderate"
 

Town Heretic

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"the welfare of its citizenry"??? :freak:
oh, you mean unless they are unborn children
or decent people with morals who understand that adultery, pornography, homosexuality and other perversions are wrong
or people who believe in law and order
good one - we won the white house and both houses in congress, and you think the answer to our dilemma of being successful is to compromise?
No, but you'd have to understand what I actually wrote and have a demonstrable interest in real discourse. You're just a troll who follows me around. Meh.
 

musterion

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That's your point, though the "idiot" part does go some way to demonstrating that the further out on a political branch you go the lower the branch tends to sag.

No, it was simply in response to an idiot.

Anyway, my point was that he appears to have principles unattached to his person and when those "principles" required something of him he became as loudly something else...not much principle in that at all, really. And so, my use of LINO.

Your point, such as it is, is easily proved: find reports of lower and middle-class liberals who work hard for a living and often live paycheck to paycheck, who signed on for Obamacare, got screwed by it, BUT were thankful for the screwing and ended up even bigger koolaid drinkers than before. Go.

That's what the left thinks of the right and the RINO business, which was also a part of my response.

No one on the Right cares what the you think of the Right. Your opinion is irrelevant because we know all you want is our complete destruction as a political force.

I know people like you, too, incapable of crediting an honest or thoughtful impulse that isn't lock step with their own.

When it comes from you? No, I give it no credit at all. You've got others on TOL bamboozled by your vocabulary and wit, and your "reasoned moderate" schtick, but some of us see you for what you are.
 

ok doser

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No, but you'd have to understand what I actually wrote and have a demonstrable interest in real discourse. You're just a troll who follows me around. Meh.

what an incredibly cowardly way to avoid a conversation when you realize that your argument is being destroyed :nono:
 
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