Taking the Mark of the Beast

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[Unforgivable? Psalm 86:5; Matthew 12:31; Revelation 14:9–11; Revelation 19:20 by Phil Johnson] "Several years ago in a live Q&A session, someone asked John MacArthur if taking the mark of the Beast during the Great Tribulation would be an unpardonable sin. His answer, in short, was no..." Full text: Unforgivable? Psalm 86:5; Matthew 12:31; Revelation 14:9–11; Revelation 19:20 Grace to You Re 14:9-10

Related:

The DNA Altering Mark of The Beast

Also see:

Believe the Lie
Nephilim
Mad Scientists
 
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beameup

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And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him [False-Messiah], whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

All homo-sapiens have their name written in the book of life, but at the judgment will have their names blotted-out of the book of life if they are not saved by faith in Christ.
Which should lead us to the conclusion that those in Rev 13:8 were NEVER eligible for eternal life. So, has their DNA been "modified" to make them half-human hybrids of some sort?
 

jamie

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All homo-sapiens have their name written in the book of life, but at the judgment will have their names blotted-out of the book of life if they are not saved by faith in Christ.

Our names are written in the Book of Life when we receive God's Spirit. Without the Spirit there is no eternal life.
 

Epoisses

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All homo-sapiens have their name written in the book of life, but at the judgment will have their names blotted-out of the book of life if they are not saved by faith in Christ.
Which should lead us to the conclusion that those in Rev 13:8 were NEVER eligible for eternal life. So, has their DNA been "modified" to make them half-human hybrids of some sort?

Half-human hybrids !?! Time for them to beam you back up to the mother ship.
 

nikolai_42

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What's the mark of the beast?

Whatever "it" is, it's primarily spiritual and associated with worshiping that which has as its animating force, something antithetical to the worship of the True God :

And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Revelation 14:9-11

Consider, by comparison, what happens BEFORE the mark of the beast is given :

And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Revelation 7:1-3

Unless one wants to assert that the servants of God in this passage receive an actual, literal mark in their foreheads - and that the seal of God is a literal implement used to create a (wax) seal, one is left with the clear understanding that what we might call the mark of God (in opposition to the mark of the beast) is an identification that is not physical. It is spiritual.

And there is Old Testament precedent for this. When God judged Israel in the days of Ezekiel and actually removed His presence from the temple, we find the assessment of the spiritual condition of Israel in Ezekiel 8. In that chapter, God gives Ezekiel a vision :

And it came to pass in the sixth year, in the sixth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I sat in mine house, and the elders of Judah sat before me, that the hand of the Lord God fell there upon me.
Then I beheld, and lo a likeness as the appearance of fire: from the appearance of his loins even downward, fire; and from his loins even upward, as the appearance of brightness, as the colour of amber.
And he put forth the form of an hand, and took me by a lock of mine head; and the spirit lifted me up between the earth and the heaven, and brought me in the visions of God to Jerusalem, to the door of the inner gate that looketh toward the north; where was the seat of the image of jealousy, which provoketh to jealousy.
And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel was there, according to the vision that I saw in the plain.

Ezekiel 8:1-4

The first thing I notice here is that God is showing Ezekiel something in the spirit that cannot be seen by the natural eye. In other words, even though He is taking Ezekiel in a vision to the temple, what he is being shown is not to be seen by walking into the temple physically. In short, it is a spiritual snapshot of Israel at the time. The second thing I notice is that there is that which is a place of residence called "the seat of the image of jealousy". I don't know precisely what that is, but from the statement in verse 4 ("...the glory of the God of Israel was there...") it seems to me that this is a place of the utmost spiritual significance. It is reflective of God's identification with the temple and it appears that the "image ... which provoketh to jealousy" is somewhat reflective of God's statement that not only is He a jealous God, but "Jealous" is one of His names (Exodus 34:14). To assault this seat of jealousy is (again, as I read it) to directly affront the all Holy One of Israel and should be something which should make one tremble. It is to strike at the very heart of God's presence. I would think it is akin (though maybe not directly analogous) to the unforgivable sin of blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

Having established this "seat of Jealousy", I note what Paul says about the man of sin to the Thessalonian church :

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

It seems to me to be more than a passing note that there is a recognition of a temple and where God dwells. And since - under the New Covenant - there is no more temple, it should (and this requires more dealing with the text, I agree) be clear that we have in view here a spiritual "coup" where the True God has been replaced by one who wants to pass himself off as God. So far from being a man walking into the temple in Jerusalem and saying "I am God...worship me" it seems to me to establish a spiritual impostor that is far more insidious - far more deceptive (deceiving even the elect - were it possible) and another line of support (though indirectly, I admit) for the mark of the beast being spiritual more than anything else.

The rest of the chapter (Ezekiel 8) is God taking Ezekiel progressively deeper in to the temple seeing greater and greater "abominations". It is God peeling back the layers of the depths of spiritual adultery to which Israel has degraded themselves. This is a vision (much like John's revelation was a vision) of the spiritual condition of a people and God's impending judgment upon them (much like John was seeing a revelation of Jesus Christ and how God was going to judge the world and what He would do with His own). These are physical pictures that illustrated greater natural realities of pervasive and deeply rooted idolatry. And, as we see, the way God judged Israel was similar in some respects to the way judgment is approached in Revelation.

So in going to the next chapter, there is one main point to be made here : that just like was expressed in Revelation 7, God marked His own people prior to judgment so that they would be spared.

And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side;
And the Lord said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.
And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:
Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.

Ezekiel 9:3-6

So the first thing here (as in Revelation) was that those of Israel that were faithful to God were marked so as to not be hurt by the coming slaughter. The second - and most prominent - thing is that those who were spared were marked on the forehead by an angel. The third thing is that the judgment of God was held back until all those that were to be marked were actually marked. The fourth thing to note (though this doesn't necessarily directly support the spiritual mark idea) is that judgment started at "...my sanctuary.". Sounds an awful lot like Peter's statement :

For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
I Peter 1:17

Is Peter talking about a temple or about a people when he says "the house of God"? It should be clear by his use of "us" that it is the church - the body of believers - that is in view. Not a physical temple.

So when Revelation speaks about a mark on the forehead - I think it is clear that this is first of all a spiritual mark. If there is a physical mark someone takes, that is - I believe - only incidental. So anyone resisting (for example) letting themselves be injected with an RFID tracker may be missing the point. Not that I would say that they should allow such a thing, but something far more spiritual is in view here. Otherwise, anyone who doesn't (for whatever reason) get a chip in them is saved and anyone who does (for whatever reason - even if forced on them) is irredeemably lost. Just because of something implanted under their skin? I think (though I haven't heard his full answer) that's why MacArthur can't agree that taking the mark of the beast is totally unforgivable - because he recognizes the problem with being overly physical with this imagery.
 

CherubRam

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CherubRam

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[FONT=&quot]Parable of the mark[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]These parables are a reference to Yahshua hanging on a stake. Take note that the word "mark" is singular, not plural. The Old Testament says that the Messiah would be hung on a tree in one place, and on a pole, stake, or post in the others. It takes two marks to make a cross.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Genesis 4:15[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]But the Lord said to him, “Not so; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over.” Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Ezekiel 9:4[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]and said to him, “Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Ezekiel 9:6[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Slaughter the old men, the young men and women, the mothers and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary.” So they began with the old men who were in front of the temple.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]ANKH and TAU image:[/FONT][FONT=&quot] http://img09.deviantart.net/5fd2/i/...nt_tau_symbol_by_victorianspectre-d7ik5xv.jpg[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The Babylonians and Romans did hang people on a cross when they sacrificed to their pagan sun god. There is no reason to believe that Yahshua was a sacrifice to the Pagans sun god.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
 

keypurr

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Some feel that the Mark of the Beast is the changing of the day of worship to Sunday, they might be right.
However I see it differently, I think the Mark of the Beast is the fact that the church has created another God, Jesus Christ. They made up a story about the three piece God and preach it to the masses.

In effect they are an abomination because they broke the Ten Commandments.

Only the Father (YHWH) is God. It is that simple.
 

KingdomRose

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Whatever "it" is, it's primarily spiritual and associated with worshiping that which has as its animating force, something antithetical to the worship of the True God :

And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Revelation 14:9-11

Consider, by comparison, what happens BEFORE the mark of the beast is given :

And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Revelation 7:1-3

Unless one wants to assert that the servants of God in this passage receive an actual, literal mark in their foreheads - and that the seal of God is a literal implement used to create a (wax) seal, one is left with the clear understanding that what we might call the mark of God (in opposition to the mark of the beast) is an identification that is not physical. It is spiritual.

And there is Old Testament precedent for this. When God judged Israel in the days of Ezekiel and actually removed His presence from the temple, we find the assessment of the spiritual condition of Israel in Ezekiel 8. In that chapter, God gives Ezekiel a vision :

And it came to pass in the sixth year, in the sixth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I sat in mine house, and the elders of Judah sat before me, that the hand of the Lord God fell there upon me.
Then I beheld, and lo a likeness as the appearance of fire: from the appearance of his loins even downward, fire; and from his loins even upward, as the appearance of brightness, as the colour of amber.
And he put forth the form of an hand, and took me by a lock of mine head; and the spirit lifted me up between the earth and the heaven, and brought me in the visions of God to Jerusalem, to the door of the inner gate that looketh toward the north; where was the seat of the image of jealousy, which provoketh to jealousy.
And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel was there, according to the vision that I saw in the plain.

Ezekiel 8:1-4

The first thing I notice here is that God is showing Ezekiel something in the spirit that cannot be seen by the natural eye. In other words, even though He is taking Ezekiel in a vision to the temple, what he is being shown is not to be seen by walking into the temple physically. In short, it is a spiritual snapshot of Israel at the time. The second thing I notice is that there is that which is a place of residence called "the seat of the image of jealousy". I don't know precisely what that is, but from the statement in verse 4 ("...the glory of the God of Israel was there...") it seems to me that this is a place of the utmost spiritual significance. It is reflective of God's identification with the temple and it appears that the "image ... which provoketh to jealousy" is somewhat reflective of God's statement that not only is He a jealous God, but "Jealous" is one of His names (Exodus 34:14). To assault this seat of jealousy is (again, as I read it) to directly affront the all Holy One of Israel and should be something which should make one tremble. It is to strike at the very heart of God's presence. I would think it is akin (though maybe not directly analogous) to the unforgivable sin of blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

Having established this "seat of Jealousy", I note what Paul says about the man of sin to the Thessalonian church :

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

It seems to me to be more than a passing note that there is a recognition of a temple and where God dwells. And since - under the New Covenant - there is no more temple, it should (and this requires more dealing with the text, I agree) be clear that we have in view here a spiritual "coup" where the True God has been replaced by one who wants to pass himself off as God. So far from being a man walking into the temple in Jerusalem and saying "I am God...worship me" it seems to me to establish a spiritual impostor that is far more insidious - far more deceptive (deceiving even the elect - were it possible) and another line of support (though indirectly, I admit) for the mark of the beast being spiritual more than anything else.

The rest of the chapter (Ezekiel 8) is God taking Ezekiel progressively deeper in to the temple seeing greater and greater "abominations". It is God peeling back the layers of the depths of spiritual adultery to which Israel has degraded themselves. This is a vision (much like John's revelation was a vision) of the spiritual condition of a people and God's impending judgment upon them (much like John was seeing a revelation of Jesus Christ and how God was going to judge the world and what He would do with His own). These are physical pictures that illustrated greater natural realities of pervasive and deeply rooted idolatry. And, as we see, the way God judged Israel was similar in some respects to the way judgment is approached in Revelation.

So in going to the next chapter, there is one main point to be made here : that just like was expressed in Revelation 7, God marked His own people prior to judgment so that they would be spared.

And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side;
And the Lord said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.
And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:
Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.

Ezekiel 9:3-6

So the first thing here (as in Revelation) was that those of Israel that were faithful to God were marked so as to not be hurt by the coming slaughter. The second - and most prominent - thing is that those who were spared were marked on the forehead by an angel. The third thing is that the judgment of God was held back until all those that were to be marked were actually marked. The fourth thing to note (though this doesn't necessarily directly support the spiritual mark idea) is that judgment started at "...my sanctuary.". Sounds an awful lot like Peter's statement :

For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
I Peter 1:17

Is Peter talking about a temple or about a people when he says "the house of God"? It should be clear by his use of "us" that it is the church - the body of believers - that is in view. Not a physical temple.

So when Revelation speaks about a mark on the forehead - I think it is clear that this is first of all a spiritual mark. If there is a physical mark someone takes, that is - I believe - only incidental. So anyone resisting (for example) letting themselves be injected with an RFID tracker may be missing the point. Not that I would say that they should allow such a thing, but something far more spiritual is in view here. Otherwise, anyone who doesn't (for whatever reason) get a chip in them is saved and anyone who does (for whatever reason - even if forced on them) is irredeemably lost. Just because of something implanted under their skin? I think (though I haven't heard his full answer) that's why MacArthur can't agree that taking the mark of the beast is totally unforgivable - because he recognizes the problem with being overly physical with this imagery.

This is an excellent post. Well thought out! And I absolutely agree....the "mark" is a spiritual attitude, the deeply rooted idolization of "the Beast," or, the governmental system under which one resides. It is definitely spiritual adultery, placing the political system over and above God's Kingdom.
 

Epoisses

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Whatever "it" is, it's primarily spiritual and associated with worshiping that which has as its animating force, something antithetical to the worship of the True God :

And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Revelation 14:9-11

Consider, by comparison, what happens BEFORE the mark of the beast is given :

And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Revelation 7:1-3

Unless one wants to assert that the servants of God in this passage receive an actual, literal mark in their foreheads - and that the seal of God is a literal implement used to create a (wax) seal, one is left with the clear understanding that what we might call the mark of God (in opposition to the mark of the beast) is an identification that is not physical. It is spiritual.

And there is Old Testament precedent for this. When God judged Israel in the days of Ezekiel and actually removed His presence from the temple, we find the assessment of the spiritual condition of Israel in Ezekiel 8. In that chapter, God gives Ezekiel a vision :

And it came to pass in the sixth year, in the sixth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I sat in mine house, and the elders of Judah sat before me, that the hand of the Lord God fell there upon me.
Then I beheld, and lo a likeness as the appearance of fire: from the appearance of his loins even downward, fire; and from his loins even upward, as the appearance of brightness, as the colour of amber.
And he put forth the form of an hand, and took me by a lock of mine head; and the spirit lifted me up between the earth and the heaven, and brought me in the visions of God to Jerusalem, to the door of the inner gate that looketh toward the north; where was the seat of the image of jealousy, which provoketh to jealousy.
And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel was there, according to the vision that I saw in the plain.

Ezekiel 8:1-4

The first thing I notice here is that God is showing Ezekiel something in the spirit that cannot be seen by the natural eye. In other words, even though He is taking Ezekiel in a vision to the temple, what he is being shown is not to be seen by walking into the temple physically. In short, it is a spiritual snapshot of Israel at the time. The second thing I notice is that there is that which is a place of residence called "the seat of the image of jealousy". I don't know precisely what that is, but from the statement in verse 4 ("...the glory of the God of Israel was there...") it seems to me that this is a place of the utmost spiritual significance. It is reflective of God's identification with the temple and it appears that the "image ... which provoketh to jealousy" is somewhat reflective of God's statement that not only is He a jealous God, but "Jealous" is one of His names (Exodus 34:14). To assault this seat of jealousy is (again, as I read it) to directly affront the all Holy One of Israel and should be something which should make one tremble. It is to strike at the very heart of God's presence. I would think it is akin (though maybe not directly analogous) to the unforgivable sin of blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

Having established this "seat of Jealousy", I note what Paul says about the man of sin to the Thessalonian church :

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

It seems to me to be more than a passing note that there is a recognition of a temple and where God dwells. And since - under the New Covenant - there is no more temple, it should (and this requires more dealing with the text, I agree) be clear that we have in view here a spiritual "coup" where the True God has been replaced by one who wants to pass himself off as God. So far from being a man walking into the temple in Jerusalem and saying "I am God...worship me" it seems to me to establish a spiritual impostor that is far more insidious - far more deceptive (deceiving even the elect - were it possible) and another line of support (though indirectly, I admit) for the mark of the beast being spiritual more than anything else.

The rest of the chapter (Ezekiel 8) is God taking Ezekiel progressively deeper in to the temple seeing greater and greater "abominations". It is God peeling back the layers of the depths of spiritual adultery to which Israel has degraded themselves. This is a vision (much like John's revelation was a vision) of the spiritual condition of a people and God's impending judgment upon them (much like John was seeing a revelation of Jesus Christ and how God was going to judge the world and what He would do with His own). These are physical pictures that illustrated greater natural realities of pervasive and deeply rooted idolatry. And, as we see, the way God judged Israel was similar in some respects to the way judgment is approached in Revelation.

So in going to the next chapter, there is one main point to be made here : that just like was expressed in Revelation 7, God marked His own people prior to judgment so that they would be spared.

And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side;
And the Lord said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.
And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:
Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.

Ezekiel 9:3-6

So the first thing here (as in Revelation) was that those of Israel that were faithful to God were marked so as to not be hurt by the coming slaughter. The second - and most prominent - thing is that those who were spared were marked on the forehead by an angel. The third thing is that the judgment of God was held back until all those that were to be marked were actually marked. The fourth thing to note (though this doesn't necessarily directly support the spiritual mark idea) is that judgment started at "...my sanctuary.". Sounds an awful lot like Peter's statement :

For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
I Peter 1:17

Is Peter talking about a temple or about a people when he says "the house of God"? It should be clear by his use of "us" that it is the church - the body of believers - that is in view. Not a physical temple.

So when Revelation speaks about a mark on the forehead - I think it is clear that this is first of all a spiritual mark. If there is a physical mark someone takes, that is - I believe - only incidental. So anyone resisting (for example) letting themselves be injected with an RFID tracker may be missing the point. Not that I would say that they should allow such a thing, but something far more spiritual is in view here. Otherwise, anyone who doesn't (for whatever reason) get a chip in them is saved and anyone who does (for whatever reason - even if forced on them) is irredeemably lost. Just because of something implanted under their skin? I think (though I haven't heard his full answer) that's why MacArthur can't agree that taking the mark of the beast is totally unforgivable - because he recognizes the problem with being overly physical with this imagery.

The mark of the beast is the Judaizing heresy where faith in Christ is blended with keeping the law. The mark is said to go in the hand and forehead and there are at least three places in the OT where this was mentioned and all had to do with law/commandment keeping. Most notably Ex. 13:9 - And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the LORD’S law may be in thy mouth: Law keeping for believers is an outward sign that they have rejected Christ and his finished atonement.
 

Epoisses

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Some feel that the Mark of the Beast is the changing of the day of worship to Sunday, they might be right.
However I see it differently, I think the Mark of the Beast is the fact that the church has created another God, Jesus Christ. They made up a story about the three piece God and preach it to the masses.

In effect they are an abomination because they broke the Ten Commandments.

Only the Father (YHWH) is God. It is that simple.

SDA trash! People who go to church on Saturday and condemn those who go to church on Sunday are the biggest hypocrites and sinners and know nothing of Christ and his gospel.
 

KingdomRose

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So, Epoisses, you think that this "sign on the hand and between the eyes" is LITERAL? LOL! Jehovah is talking about serving him with one's physical abilities and constantly remembering His laws and principles, to be inculcated into one's children as well, "when you sit in your house and when you walk on the road and when you lie down and when you get up."

The same is to be said about the "mark of the Beast." It is a mental attitude....idolizing the political system rather than God's Kingdom.

I see a reflection of this idolatry in front of many homes that I drive by. They have a whole line of nationalistic flags---probably a dozen---across their front lawns. This is one indication of the mark of the Beast.
 

Epoisses

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The Nephilim were half-human hybrids. Perhaps you can locate Genesis, and then go to chapter 6.

There is no such thing as hybrids and even if there were they were all wiped out in the flood. Only Noah and his family survived so unless his DNA was corrupted then your evolutionary/ancient aliens seeding the earth heresy is just the vain attempt of atheist drones trying out new lies.
 

Epoisses

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The same is to be said about the "mark of the Beast." It is a mental attitude....idolizing the political system rather than God's Kingdom.

I see a reflection of this idolatry in front of many homes that I drive by. They have a whole line of nationalistic flags---probably a dozen---across their front lawns. This is one indication of the mark of the Beast.

The mark will have to be physical and visible so as to allow some and prevent others from buying and selling. It will go hand and hand with a restored temple worship in Jerusalem perhaps some kind of blood sacrifice will have to be offered as a form of allegiance or some other stipulation from the Law. There are hundreds of possibilities.
 

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[FONT=&quot]Parable of the mark[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
These parables are a reference to Yahshua hanging on a stake. Take note that the word "mark" is singular, not plural. The Old Testament says that the Messiah would be hung on a tree in one place, and on a pole, stake, or post in the others. It takes two marks to make a cross.

Genesis 4:15
But the Lord said to him, “Not so; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over.” Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him.
Ezekiel 9:4
and said to him, “Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it.”
Ezekiel 9:6
Slaughter the old men, the young men and women, the mothers and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary.” So they began with the old men who were in front of the temple.

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The Babylonians and Romans did hang people on a cross when they sacrificed to their pagan sun god. There is no reason to believe that Yahshua was a sacrifice to the Pagans sun god. [/FONT]
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nikolai_42

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This is an excellent post. Well thought out! And I absolutely agree....the "mark" is a spiritual attitude, the deeply rooted idolization of "the Beast," or, the governmental system under which one resides. It is definitely spiritual adultery, placing the political system over and above God's Kingdom.

I should qualify something about my post. While I do believe that the mark of the beast is spiritual in nature, I believe it is very real and very specific. One of the problems that can crop up with the taking of these scriptures spiritually (which I do) is that they can then become silly putty in the hands of whoever holds that view. It's not as simply as saying this represents any idolatry because in some sense, we are all idolaters at heart. We all (to one degree or another) elevate things above God. So one can't stop at just arbitrarily choosing any political system or any kingdom to identify with the beast - it has to (and I believe this is one of the necessary upshots of this view) be a political/spiritual kingdom. So that eliminates basically every kingdom except one - Rome. In the last century and a half, that means the Roman Catholic church - and more specifically the Papacy as the man of sin standing in the place where he doesn't belong. Taking names to himself that belong only to God. No other nation has done that (and while its political power has certainly been seriously limited for the last 200 years or so, it still maintains a political presence around the world in addition to its spiritual dominion).

This, again, is a very specific identification of a specific entity (otherwise, why specify the mark of the beast itself as the number of a man?). To make it the US or Britain or any other political entity is to miss much of the identification and the significance of the spiritual nature. Remember, even Christians were good citizens of Rome (the forerunner of the beast of Revelation). But where their fidelity stopped, was in calling Caesar (in effect) "God". In the Decian persecution (at least) anyone who didn't sign a certificate (called a libellus) saying they sacrificed to the Roman god(s) were killed.

So while it is spiritual, it has very real (and specific) identification.
 

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[Re 14:9-10 ] What's the mark of the beast?

Don't take it--is the point (Re 20:4).
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MacArthur's wrong. :dizzy: If you take the mark of the beast you will become a Gibborim (גּבּר, גּבּור) :listen: not human (Ge 10:9).
 
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