Except they misinterpret certain Scripture in order to make it fit their false doctrine/false gospel.
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Except they misinterpret certain Scripture in order to make it fit their false doctrine/false gospel.
heir
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I'm believing the scriptures and those particularly written directly about the risen, ascended Lord Jesus Christ by His chosen vessel, Paul and I will continue! It doesn't get better than that!
heir
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There is a gospel that is the power of God to save you. I hope you trust the Lord believing it!
1 Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1 Corinthians 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1 Corinthians 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
I hope you do too
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Too bad. You lose. I want to know Him, not about Him. Jesus explained how that can happen by abandoning your life to God. Paul did as well. How come you don't want to know that and prefer to piddle your time away arguing over the same approach?
True.
The plain and the simple of it is, You're wrong and Heir is right. Too bad for the likes of you.
PneumaPsucheSoma
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Arminianism is just Pelagianism "Lite". I'm not sure I even like the terms Monergism and Synergism, ultimately. It's part of the false binary.
It seems so, and that's because Monergism more closely aligns with truth in certain distinct ways. And Synergism is really a misnomer, trying to refer to the latent functionality of man that was dysfunctionalized in spiritual death and sin.
Hamartia (sin) is a form of ameros [a- (no/not) and -meros (share/part)]; the missing share or part. There's no "part" or "share" within man that can functionally participate in Synergism initially. And the original functionality was given by God and then dyfunctionalized.
What's up for "grabs" is the degree of depravity for Synergism or lack thereof; and that's why it's a misnomer that has devolved into a false binary. Man was created to function Synergistically, but in a creation that is Monergistic. That functionality was abrogated in spiritual death (thanatos), which is a term that needs MUCH attention (it's not annihilation or eradication).
Because most equate Calvinism to Determinism. And Calvinists attempt to project time upon a timeless God. They also don't understand the mechanics of functionality and dysfunctionality; so in making their appropriate appeals to Monergism, they neglect that which is enabled within man that could not initially co-operate for Synergism.
Synergism has always been Monergistically driven, in the original creation and in the new creation.
This is where I have to disagree with so many terms employed by both "sides" of this false binary. Irresistable grace, for instance. That's not a lexical term, just like so many others. Unlimited versus Limited also implies an initiative by God that is pre-emptive in reprobation or election. And the arguments have take the form of many "isms" that have sculpted man's hearts and minds through language and culture, so the conflicts aren't the same as they were several hundred years ago; they've morphed to take on a life of their own.
The real issue revolves around the will of man, and whether "free" is a term aptly applied to it in the positive or negative. Again, it's a misnomer. The will is the application of the mind toward object/s as subject/s. An unrenewed mind in spiritual death is not "free". And a renewed mind is "free" in the sense of being free from the power of sin, though not the presence of sin.
I think ALL the arguments need to be reframed apart from such extreme false binaries, and with much more lexical expression from exegesis instead of concepts. It's quite apparent that the proponents of the extreme binaries are never going to agree, since each considers the other to be lost without Christ.
PneumaPsucheSoma
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Are you capable of ever learning any theological terms so you don't have to have everything dumbed down to a preschool level when you're a geriatric senile old reprobate?
No, you're not.
Nang
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These terms are less theological, than merely a memory aid.
A pastor in fairly recent times, developed the acronym "TULIP" so that his congregation could more easily remember the 5 arguments made at the Synod of Dort against the Remonstrants.
Now, we see Neo-Calvinists dumbing this effort down even further, by changing the terms to make them more easily understood. Unlimited Atonement becomes "Particular Redemption", etc. as if that helps.
Would that the doctrines be explored more thoroughly, rather than being just an exercise of memory at a spelling-bee level.
You seem to suffer from some form of jealousy? This form of jealousy is usually caused by someone who is feeling they're in the presence of one who is endowed with a superior intellect.
PPS, has severe "Anger issues" and should consider taking an "Anger management course?" He also appears to present himself as a "Child man." He's very immature and feels as if he NEEDS to use schoolyard namecalling and put downs.
He's a poor soul. However, there is hope for him.
He's a poor soul. However, there is hope for him.
Nang
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All you know, GM, is to provoke members . . .
Which is against TOL rules, but somehow or for some reason, you are allowed to provoke the saints, day and night without ceasing.
PneumaPsucheSoma
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Exactly.
Calvinism is not Determinism; so part of the issue is all the dancing around the flaming strawman that Arminians have set ablaze (assisted by "Piperites" and other modern Neo-Calvinist "7-point" bunglers, etc.).
When man is empowered to become sons of God, he is then to "prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect will of God". It's never about man's will anyway.
Well, anyone who reads the entirety of my posts on this thread can't help but notice my opinions coming from one who is a preacher of the Grace Gospel who speaks up against the false doctrine of Calvinism, which is a "False gospel." When I am attacked by such as PPS, I have a tendency to stand my ground. I'm doing nothing more than anyone else placed in that situation. Nang, if the heat is too much for you, perhaps you need to consider finding a nice, pleasant Calvinist board. That way, you'll be in control. You just came off a ban that lasted a very long time. What the reason is, I know not. However, this I do know, you're a very unpleasant and grouchy type of individual who gets extremely angry when someone disagrees with your false belief system. It's been my experience on this forum and others that, Calvinists seem to suffer from this same emotional instability. They're also arrogant and seem to act superior to anyone who doesn't follow their beliefs.
Nang
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Sooner or later you will get around to noticing that Reformers do not suffer fools . . .
Maybe then you will give up being one.
Nang, you have a bad habit of voicing your opinion that I'm somehow in cahoots with the Mods and vice-versa. Where you get this idea is unknown. I think you have some odd form of paranoia that seems to affect your opinions and perception. When you create a thread that is pro-Calvinist and anti-everything else, you have to expect a debate. Therefore, you attract those who disagree with you.
PPS, is just a nasty type of poster who has a bias against older folks. Yet, Nang is my age or better and I've seen a pic of PPS and he appears to be around 60 or better. So, why he would attack those who are older, remains a mystery?
Is that a form of intimidation/threat? Nang, you have me shaking in my boots. :rotfl:
The true Gospel in this "Dispensation of Grace" IS "The Grace Gospel" that was given to The Apostle Paul by The ascended Lord Jesus Christ. Paul was made the "Apostle to the Gentiles." Paul preached that God's Grace is offered to ALL OF hUMANITY. Not just a remnant of Elect chosen before the foundation of the world. Forgiveness, mercy, and eternal life is given to those who hear the Gospel and place their faith in Christ as their Savior. Calvinists don't like hearing about this Gospel. (Paul's Gospel)
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