heir
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Trusting the Lord believing the gospel of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV) is to believe our sins are ALREADY forgiven (Ephesians 4:32 KJV)! Just how many of your trespasses did Christ not die for?
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ECT Grace is unconditional but not universal
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If God gave you a new heart, how is it it gets dirty? I should think that if God gives a new heart it can't get dirty.
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So what do you do for forgiveness? Christians don't sin.
heir
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Nothing.
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But you said you sin everyday!! What is that if not a turning away from God . . .as in "leaving your first love"?
heir
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So do you!
Romans 7:17 KJV
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Then, quite obviously, the doctrine you have taken to yourself is grossly flawed.
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Then your argument is silly. You aren't sealed IF your sins aren't automatically forgiven, right?
PneumaPsucheSoma
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NO, every one of the English translation we have has not failed. Don't blame scripture or its interpretation.
It's the hearts and minds of English-thinkers/speakers that have failed in perception, not knowing the severe limitations and restrictions of their own native first language and its effects on epistemological function (which affects understanding both ontology AND economy, the latter establishing methodology).
You're asking wrong questions with wrong presuppositions from a wrong foundation of epistemological functionality.
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Heir,
You do "nothing" about your sinning everyday, you say?
What does Paul say about the requirement for sins forgiven 'automatically' that doesn't speak of one's presumption upon God's grace but relationship with Him that brings a continual rectification to our soul?
You do "nothing" about your sinning everyday, you say?
What does Paul say about the requirement for sins forgiven 'automatically' that doesn't speak of one's presumption upon God's grace but relationship with Him that brings a continual rectification to our soul?
PneumaPsucheSoma
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Look and live. And if they do so, it means that by grace God gave them faith and granted them repentance, to believe and repent.
PneumaPsucheSoma
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No... YOU don't know the answer. I'm perpetually communing with God from time into timelessness "before" the divine utterance to create, and proving what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God as exhorted.
I'm hypostatically translated into the Christ, having put Him on by the faith God gave me. Living and moving and having my being in Christ; seated in heavenly places in Christ Jesus, while I yet physically live in this corrupt mortal body (awaiting, to wit, the resurrection to be clothed upon with immortality and incorruptability).
The answer is to die. Reckon oneself crucified with Christ.
The reason many are unsaved is because God has no communion with them in His foreknowledge in timelessness. You still conceive a time-constrained God, and that election is Deistic and/or Deterministic.
AMEN!!
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Which cannot be performed from a gnostic approach/disposition to understanding the ways of God. Love doesn't perform in that way.
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Misery loves company. The troll is answering the call to duty!
Yer late. PPS has already beaten you to the Kool-aid.
PneumaPsucheSoma
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No. You ARE a strawman, with no true hypostasis (underlying reality of existence). You are not in the eternal uncreated "pre"creational Logos of God. You're not communing from time into timelessness by being translated into Christ (who, as the Logos, is resheathed in the scabbard from whence the sword of the Spirit {the Rhema} was drawn. This is topos, the place He went to prepare for "us" [those who believe}.).
You're still presuming there is chronological linearity for God.
And those who do have not frustrated grace. Those who don't have frustrated grace.
No, it's the inverse. Your mind is unrenewed, so you're attempting to constantly apply your will to God's righteousness as the standard for inner character and outer conduct. You can't.
You're looking for some value in yourself to save yourself by some contingent reciprocity with God. It's bargaining. "Hey God, if I can be in a reciprocal contingent agreement of equals that I get to help effect my own salvation with you, then I'll do that. If it means you do it all, then I can't accept a God who is so sovereign and powerful and loving. Keep your gift."
Accept is charitoo. It means to make one the object of one's grace. Man does not make God the object of man's grace; nor does man make himself the object of God's grace. We need to be accepted in the beloved, wherein God makes us the object of His grace.
The focus is spiritual death, into which every member of humanity is born. That's how THE sin gets "in there" (in our nature and our members as the void of "can't-ness"). The focus is not upon THE sin and all that comes from it internally and externally. Sin is just the inevitable byproduct (and the Calvinists emphasize it in ignorance of the mechanics of Anthropology Proper) of spiritual death, just as physical death is the inevitable wages for THE sin (condition).
Without spiritual life, no one can choose God. There is only a latent potential longing, and that's God's grace, too, from the original creation.
Synergism ignores the original functional creation. Whether in the original creation or in the new creation in Christ, ALL functionality of man is given by God. Synergism just ignores the pre-Lapse of man and his original functionality. Calvinists don't know or make it clear that man is "refunctionalized" in the new creation. That's because they don't fully understand the ontological Gospel.
The book of James was written to/pertaining to, the scattered tribes of Israel. James 1:1 "James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting."
What is being said to them does not pertain to us Gentiles.
The books that pertain to us Gentiles are Romans through Philemon. The Apostle Paul wrote those books.
We will be sober if we take not that upon us, which we have not, and if we brag not of that we have.*By faith he meaneth the knowledge of God in Christ, and the gifts which the holy Ghost poureth upon the faithful.
Peter and the rest were preaching the "Kingdom message" to the House of Israel while Paul and his group were preaching the Grace message to the Gentiles.
The difference between the two messages are as follows:
1) The Kingdom message to the Jews: Salvation through faith in Christ plus works.
2) The Grace message to the Gentiles: Salvation through faith alone without works.
You see the Gentiles were NEVER given the law nor were the ever under the law like the Jews. Acts 15:20 Paul agrees to the following restrictions for the Gentile believers. They are: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
The difference between the two messages are as follows:
1) The Kingdom message to the Jews: Salvation through faith in Christ plus works.
2) The Grace message to the Gentiles: Salvation through faith alone without works.
You see the Gentiles were NEVER given the law nor were the ever under the law like the Jews. Acts 15:20 Paul agrees to the following restrictions for the Gentile believers. They are: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
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