CR, you're NOT a good example of your denomination.
ECT Grace is unconditional but not universal
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Calvinists and Pentecostal/Charismatics don't seem to like Grace Gospel believers on TOL.
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Hold on there, CR, you are sounding way too mystical for me, claiming that GM knows what I'm thinking about your questions.
Bottom line is, I agree with Tulip Bee, that God called the apostles to saving faith. Period.
So, John 20:22, simply affirms this.
Bottom line is, I agree with Tulip Bee, that God called the apostles to saving faith. Period.
So, John 20:22, simply affirms this.
I'm willing to be corrected that is almost both (as it appears to men) but the arminian style teaches is 98% man's effort while the Calvinist teaches is 100% God's effort but what man does happens afterwards like a micro split second after God doing the work. Man's efforts happens so fast that the arminians miss it thinking is mostly men's works while the Calvinist catches it soon Enought and prizes good for saving them.
The correct version is God does all the saving which happens in the beginning but the 'beginning' is a weak word for carnal men that love themselves to much
CR, is strangely silent? What could he be coming up with next?
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You just can't let go, can you? It easier for you to riddicule and place blame on others when you have no answers. I can read you like book. I know what to expect from you. . . .nothing because nothing is always what I have received from you when making any attempt at being civil with you.
"Everyone" is the misunderstood word by common men who don't pay attention to spiritual things of God
Only "50" Thanks thus far? Man, you're very popular Bee. :cigar:
Yeah? What chapter do I bring you up in?
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Pretty sure we're on the same page for the most part. Thanks.
That's bad theology! There are no such thing as 99% spiritually dead. 100% spiritually dead is the proper way so God can be sovereign. 99% spiritually dead means theres a loose maverick molecule running loose that runs off chaos leaving God out.
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That's a lie. You have never paid attention so why should anyone make any effort to re-explain what has been explained to you adnausm? I'm not.
Hey, CR, don't think I don't appreciate your immature comments. I really do. I get a kick out of it when you rant and rave like a guy who just stepped on a rusty nail in his bare feet.
Temper, temper CR, remember your blood pressure?
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Gen 4:26 KJV . .". . . .and men began to call upon the Name of the Lord"
Now, what was that you were saying about man being 100% spiritually dead/
Question: How did man know God as Lord to call Him by His Name? Could they have been sons of God; sons He had groomed to manage themeselves on Earth in righteousness, irrespective of Adam's transgression?
Nang
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No son of Adam is born with the virtue of innate faith.
All sons of Adam are born sinners and enemies of God.
It is a real wonder that God chose to save any at all . . .
How do you KNOW you're one of the Elect Nang?
CR gets a real kick outta calling posters "Stupid and liars." I respect him for that honesty. :rotfl:
Nang
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The above proves, that God has saved men by grace, since the beginning. These men were part of the Godly lineage that were given the Gospel promise of the "Seed" who would remedy the tragedy of sin, and they were gifted by God, with power and faith to believe in the message . . . Just the same as NT saints!
Nang
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How do you know I'm not?
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