So ... you could make the choice to no longer love your spouse, children, parents, friends, etc. by telling yourself you need to?
Sexual Orientation is not a Choice
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So ... you could make the choice to no longer love your spouse, children, parents, friends, etc. by telling yourself you need to?
glassjester
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Your choices ultimately overcame a chemical dependence. Is that much true?
glassjester
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Yes. But I do not have a morally compelling reason to stop loving my spouse. So I will not.
What if someone else gave you what they felt was a *morally compelling reason*?
BTW, the idea of being able to turn love off and on like a water faucet kind of cheapens love.
IF you have any gay acquaintances, you should ask them what day they chose to be gay and why they chose it. Ask your straight friends the same question. Answer it yourself, what day did you choose to be heterosexual? Why did you make that choice.
glassjester
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If the reasoning was sound, I'd have to agree.
I'd argue the opposite. Freely chosen love is the only love worth having. Robotic, I-can't-help-it, external-locus-of-control love is pretty worthless.
That's kinda the way we love our kids...
glassjester
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They never chose their orientation. There is no orientation. They simply have a certain taste in partners.
And I can't ask what day they acquired their taste in partners. Tastes are not a single choice made in a single day - they are the cummulative result of many, many choices, made over a long period of time.
Same with taste in music, food, books, etc. Tastes are developed.
Oh, so it would be up to *you* to determine if their reason was sound?
Disagree all you like ... though until a time comes that you can make a choice to love and marry your worst enemy, you cannot show love is chosen.
glassjester
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Okay. IF your friends, family, co-workers, church congregation insisted you should marry your worst enemy, would you?
IF they told you to leave your spouse, would you?
I am trying to establish just how much another person's views affect you when it comes to these types of decisions.
glassjester
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My claim is only this. You are the author of your tastes.
All of your tastes - taste in music, art, food, everything. Your decisions shape these.
Taste in partners is no exception.
All of your tastes - taste in music, art, food, everything. Your decisions shape these.
Taste in partners is no exception.
glassjester
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Doesn't their reason matter?
PureX
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No, it's not true.
It was my surrender to a power greater than myself that finally stopped me from drinking. And it was the lack of any other choice that made me surrender.
I realize this is a bit of a paradox, but all great truths are paradoxical from our limited human perspective.
My point is that we do not choose who we are. We can only choose who we will become in response to who we are, now.
I agree. Homosexuality is a CHOSEN sin of the flesh.
glassjester
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The surrender... was your choice, wasn't it?
As for lacking any other choice - you said yourself other people die rather than stop. So that was the other choice.
Still - this has little bearing on my initial claim.
Your taste in mates is no different than your taste in food, music, or books. It is shaped by your choices.
It depends ... does THEIR reason disregard the fact that they prefer someone remain alone for the rest of their life rather than be with someone they love?
So, do we choose to enjoy food, music, books apriori?
A homosexual male may choose to have sex with another particular male via a natural predisposition toward such.
Conflating the the two is not proof of your allegation.
glassjester
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Are those the only two options for someone who prefers partners of their own gender?
More importantly, is there any reason to believe that our taste in partners is fundamentally different than our tastes in any other things?
glassjester
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Choosing to appeasing that particular desire reinforces it and makes it more likely for the individual to choose it again in the future, doesn't it?
Thereby shaping the person's taste in partners.