You spam that on every thread, and it is addressed, deceiver, but you continue to spam it.
And you plagiarized the above. Plagiarism is against TOL rules. Knock it off, punk.
The Preterists and Matthew 24:34
- Thread starter Jerry Shugart
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You spam that on every thread, and it is addressed, deceiver, but you continue to spam it.
And you plagiarized the above. Plagiarism is against TOL rules. Knock it off, punk.
You satanic Preterism "argues" that signs are invisible, deceiver.
You plagiarized that, Craigie. I told you to knock it off.
And quit citing Christ rejector Josephus, Christ rejector. This is a Christian board, primarily.
No, they haven't. Your father the devil taught you that.
Yep, fulfilled.
Christ Jesus said no one comes to the Father except through Him.
(John 14:6) Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Since the 6 million Jews who were exterminated by Hitler during the holocaust rejected The Lord Jesus Christ, wouldn't that mean that those 6 million Christ rejecting Jews are in hell together with Hitler?
Straight copy'npaste/plagiarized, from:
http://planetpreterist.com/content/day-lord-zechariah-14
https://creationconcept.wordpress.com/2012/12/19/are-all-of-zechariahs-prophecies-literal/
and others.......
Deceiver.
Sonnet
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Surely, such a view (that Christ has already returned) betrays the difficulties that Matthew 24:34 presents to Christianity - even to this day?
Aaron the Tall
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In talking with other partial preterists, some believe Matthew 25:31 is future, some think it is past. I have not come to a concrete conclusion on the matter.
We have established that "sitting on a throne" can be representational of positional authority - as in Revelation 3:21. The passage could be about Jesus "coming" in 70AD, where he also restructured His kingdom, removing the unbelieving Jews and welcoming the true believers. Or it could be about the final judgment. At this point I am open to either possibility. If it is the final judgement (which I tend to lean toward), the phrase "then He will sit on His glorious throne" does not have to mean that Jesus is sitting on the throne of David for the first time. "Sitting on the throne" can be a reference to operating out of kingly authority and judgment. For example: Proverbs 20:8 "A king who sits on the throne of justice Disperses all evil with his eyes."
"Sitting on David's throne" can be a reference to positional authority, as in Jeremiah 22:4 "For if ye do this thing indeed, then shall there enter in by the gates of this house kings sitting upon the throne of David, riding in chariots and on horses, he, and his servants, and his people."
These kings are sitting on David's throne and riding chariots at the same time.
In the same way, Jesus said he would be "sitting at the right hand of power, and coming on the clouds of heaven." He would be both sitting and coming. It doesn't say coming, then sitting. Do you think the right hand of power in this verse is a reference to David's throne?
Oooh - interesting choice of words. What do you mean it will eventually be world wide? Are you suggesting that when Christ returns he will immediately be ruler of Israel, but it will take some time for him to be ruler of the world?
Either way, you must admit that David's throne here is not a literal continuation of the place of authority that David held. David's kingdom was not world wide. My point is that when Jesus sits on David's throne, it must be understood that "David's throne" is metaphorical of a greater reality than the actual throne King David sat in. It is not a 1:1 literal equivalent.
You haven't addressed my point that Acts 2 links Jesus' resurrection to him sitting on David's throne.
I just gave you one. Daniel 7. The Son of Man is coming with the clouds of heaven. Where does he go? He "came up to the Ancient of Days." Where is the Ancient of Days? Sitting on his throne in heaven (vs. 9)
We already covered my disagreement with your interpretation of those verses. You have not addressed my comments that Matthew 21 shows Jesus first coming was in respect to the harvest. You have not addressed Hebrews 9:26 which says Jesus came at the end of the age.
SaulToPaul 2
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So now, Tet is telling us that this was fulfilled at the First Coming.
Brilliant!
Zechariah 14:8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
Zechariah 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
Zechariah 14:10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.
Zechariah 14:11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
SaulToPaul 2
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Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days. Why 66ad and not 70ad?
noTetosterone: You are in denial....'All the land shall be turned....And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited' is figurative/allegorical/hyperbolic/fulfilled in Christ Jesus....Don't you believe the bible?...Dispensationalism is a mess....Darby....of the flesh.......God will never dwell in 'man made' land, a 'man made' Jerusalem....Bullinger.....Teenie bob girl 'invented' dispensationalism....Anderson....Dispensationalists have no answer for...............Darby.................Is 1000 hills literal?.................Darby........................
SaulToPaul 2
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Preterism has more holes than the old bandstand...and spiders , too.
It was a "gap," Mayor, a "transition period," kinda like when "The Andy Griffith Show" went from black and white, to color, and Ang lost his southern drawl. Wonder what causes that? Too much moonshine?
Er, no,..As expected, you have no explanation for the concept of divorce, band concerts, and who Israel is. Darby....Don't you believe Josephus, Wiki? You are in denial. That's what happens, when you believe the "fallable teachings/inventions of men," instead of the bible. Why don't you believe Paul? Darby....
SaulToPaul 2
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When dispies have no answers they always start talking about Andy "Griffin".
I lost a lot of respect for Andy when he picked up that high flutin' northern accent.
Er, no, spelling was never one of my strong points, but the "subjunctive" in "the Mayberry-eek" says "Griffith."
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SaulToPaul 2
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A vision of a teenage girl having a vision appeared to Ange. From that point on, he spoke like a northerner.
Jerry Shugart
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Of course I do. The Apostles, who had been with the Lord Jesus for forty days while He spoke to them about the kingdom, certainly believed that the kingdom would be restored to Israel.
Perhaps, but it is certain that the Lord Jesus' kingdom will be on the earth. That is why He had His disciples pray in the following way:
"And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth"
It is obvious that the Father's will has never been done on the earth as it is in heaven. Therefore, we can know that the Lord Jesus has not yet returned to the earth:
"And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand" (Lk.21:27-31).
The Scriptures reveal that the Lord Jesus Christ will sit upon David's as Man and He was resurrected so that He can sit upon that throne. There is nothing said there that even hints that He is sitting upon that throne now.
WRONG. Daniel 7:9 says nothing about the Ancient of Days sitting on His throne in heaven. Instead, from the context of verse 8 we can see that the action is set upon the earth. And the following also proves the same thing:
"Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom" (Dan.7:22).
The saints will be reigning on the earth with the Lord Jesus so this action also speaks of things happening on the earth, including the fact that the kingdom will be earthly in nature:
"And hath made us unto our God kings and priests: and we will reign on the earth" (Rev.5:10).
This has never happened and so it remains in the future.
So? You are not saying that happened at the end of the age, are you. After all, the harvest at the end of the age will be upon the world (Mt.13) and that has never happened.
I did answer that. Paul and those whom he taught believed that they would remain alive when they would be caught up in the air to meet the Lord Jesus so they thought the time in which they were living was the end of the age.
You said that you have already addressed my points about the world wide judgment of Matthew 13 but I cannot find it. Can you give me the post number where you did address it?
Thanks!
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And Clara Edwards was really Clara Johnson, and Goober Beasley was really Goober Pyle. You're in denial.
SaulToPaul 2
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Well, I think we can at least agree on one thing: Warren was the anti-Barn.