sin/sins is not the issue today!
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No it's not.
Repentance just means "turning away from [something]."
It does not necessarily refer to sin. If it did, then God could be accused of sinning, as I showed you in the verse above.
You've given lots of verses, none of which support, let alone prove, your position.
If repentance only refers to sins, then why add the clarifier phrase "of sins" on every time you use the word "repent"?
Because you know that repentance can be for other things as well, not just sin.
You said "repent" means "of sins."
But it doesn't mean just that.
It means of other things as well.
That's the point we're trying to make here, GT.
Isn't it interesting that Paul doesn't say anything about "sin" specifically, just "wickedness"?
No, not "sin." "Wickedness."
Don't try to change what the Bible says.
Did you notice that both of those verses are in the Gospels, and not in Paul's epistles?
And not only that, but Jesus said them during his ministry to the... Jews......
Hmmm.
I wonder why that is... :think:
Did you notice that Paul is not talking about Christians OR Jews there?
He's talking about people who have never heard the gospel before.
You clearly don't.
I reject your line of reasoning, that if one considers the scriptures carefully, that they will come to your conclusion.
If you read and consider the scriptures carefully, you will not come to the conclusion you put forth above.
In fact, it's because you HAVEN'T carefully studied the scriptures that you have come to that conclusion.
To the Jews.
To the Gentiles and the whole world He says "believe."
Quite a different message.
False.
Whatever that means...
Because you say so?
Exactly.
No, it's not.
Notice how that was written by one of the Twelve Apostles to, yup, you guessed it, JEWS.
Because you say so?
No it doesn't.
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Sin/sins is the issue today if Christ did not die for your sins. There are some who shall die in their sins Jn 8:24
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Now sin/sins are not an issue if we be a sheep Christ died for, and took away our sins, and then gives us faith to believe on Him for the same !
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You condition salvation on man then !
No, they didn't.
No, He didn't.
NONE of the scriptures you give even support your position, let alone prove it.
Lambs never took away sin. You've been shown this before. Why do you keep repeating this falsehood?
Addressed above.
And? "Evil" has more than one meaning, you know...
It doesn't always mean sin or wickedness.
Yes, that is my point. God repented.
Not of sin.
But of something other than sin.
Which means that "repent" is not by necessity talking about sinning.
That applies in ALL circumstances where the word "repent" is used, even in the New Testament.
So if Paul says we need to repent, why do you automatically assume it must be "of sin"?
Supra.
Which has nothing to do with what I said.
It still is.
It's a tutor to bring people to Christ, so that they don't have to be under the law anymore.
But you have no idea what that means, do you?
No, it wasn't and isn't.
Taking things out of context and then mashing them together with other things you've taken out of context is certainly your forte, GT.
From what?
Try reading the context, GT. It'll help you understand better.
When you take what people say out of context, you can make them say anything you want.
Go read what Sozo and I said again.
In what way would they perish?
Salvation from what?
“For this commandment which I command you today is not too mysterious for you, nor is it far off.It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will ascend into heaven for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will go over the sea for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may do it.“See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil,in that I command you today to love the Lord your God, to walk in His ways, and to keep His commandments, His statutes, and His judgments, that you may live and multiply; and the Lord your God will bless you in the land which you go to possess.But if your heart turns away so that you do not hear, and are drawn away, and worship other gods and serve them,I announce to you today that you shall surely perish; you shall not prolong your days in the land which you cross over the Jordan to go in and possess.I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live;that you may love the Lord your God, that you may obey His voice, and that you may cling to Him, for He is your life and the length of your days; and that you may dwell in the land which the Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give them.” - Deuteronomy 30:11-20 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy30:11-20&version=NKJV
It's amazing how easily your position is destroyed by a single passage in the Bible, B57.
No, GT, it isn't, no matter how many times you repeat your bogus definition, that isn't what it means "to repent".
"To repent" means to turn away from [something].
That's it. It's never meant anything other than that.
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It is all same one and only faith.
It is a divided faith and Christ would be divided if he had different ways and times and rewards for different people based on ethnicity or gender, and teachings.
The Bible says same for all and not of whom one is blood related (ethnicity), and it says not of a husband (meaning not a man deciding over a woman).
John 1:13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.
It doesn’t matter if anyone was or is a Jew or Gentile, same God and gospel over all.
Galatians 3:28, NIV: "There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." ... Galatians 3:28, KJV: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."
Ephesians 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
There isn’t a different faith for Jews meaning a faith about one thing that others don’t get.
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For humans, it means turning away from something all right; we are to turn away from sin.
God could not be accused of sinning and nowhere anywhere is that a legitimate argument.
Humans have to turn away from sin it is what keeps us from God.
Isaiah 59:2 says, “your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God” (similarly, Eph 2:12 and 4:18)
Psalm 66:18 If I had cherished sin in my heart, the Lord would not have listened;
Psalm 32:5 Then I confessed my sin; I no longer covered up my wrongdoing. I said, "I will confess my rebellious acts to the LORD." And then you forgave my sins.
Proverbs 28:13 Whoever conceals their sins does not prosper, but the one who confesses and renounces them finds mercy.
Psalm 38:18 I confess my iniquity; I am troubled by my sin.
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Humans have to repent of sins.
I gave many scriptures that describe what we have to repent of, and it is of sins.
See this scripture it says repent of a sin, repent of wickedness:
Acts 8:22 Repent, therefore, of your wickedness,
We have to repent of wickedness, sin.
2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “the Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.”
Wickedness is sin.
Here are more scriptures that say what that wicked sin entails:
Revelation 9:20 The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood--idols that cannot see or hear or walk.
21 Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts.
Revelation 16:10 The fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and its kingdom was plunged into darkness. People gnawed their tongues in agony because of their sufferings and because of their sores, but nevertheless they still refused to repent of their deeds.11 and cursed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, but they refused to repent of what they had done.
2 Corinthians 12:21 I am afraid that when I come again, my God may humiliate me before you, and I will grieve for many of those who previously sinned and have not repented of the impurity, sexual immorality, and licentiousness that they have practiced.
Those scriptures tells us of what people are to repent of doing---murder, magic arts, sexual immorality, thefts, etc.
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God is not divided. Paul says not to say you are of Peter or of Paul, or of Jesus---not of Jesus as what you say when you say those Jews when Jesus walked the earth before he was crucified…
1 Corinthians 1:12 What I mean is this: One of you says, "I follow Paul"; another, "I follow Apollos"; another, "I follow Cephas"; still another, "I follow Christ."
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We have to believe that we have to obey this man named Jesus.
That is what all ethnicity were taught.
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I gave you scripture where Paul describes what sin is, which wickedness is.
2 Corinthians 12:21 I am afraid that when I come again, my God may humiliate me before you, and I will grieve for many of those who previously sinned and have not repented of the impurity, sexual immorality, and licentiousness that they have practiced.
All sin is wickedness.
It makes no difference, for Paul taught Jews and Gentiles the one and only gospel.
All the scriptures that say to ‘believe’, they do not nullify the scriptures that say to obey.
We all have to believe that we have to obey the man who came, named Jesus.
Remember, we can’t say oh I am of one of the Twelve, or I am of Paul, or I am of whom Jesus spoke to when he walked the earth.
1 Corinthians 1:12 What I mean is this: One of you says, "I follow Paul"; another, "I follow Apollos"; another, "I follow Cephas"; still another, "I follow Christ."
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Jesus tells us what to do. Jesus came to tell us how to get saved.
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You still condition salvation on what man does. It's typical man works salvation which is condemned in scripture.
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The Jesus I know came to seek and to save that which was lost Lk 19.
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All who want to be saved are lost until they do what he says.
If
...if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you; Matthew 6:14
...if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins; Matthew 6:15
...If you continue to follow my teaching, you are really my disciples;
John 8:31
...if you do them you will be blessed; John 13:17
If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love; John 15:10
...if you do what I command you are my friends; John 15:14
...if we obey His commands---we may know that we know Him; 1 John 2:3
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Jesus' words are Spirit and life and you get that Spirit and life if you obey his words.
No way is obeying Jesus condemnation in scripture.
How did you ever get yourself to believe that crazy thing?
We are no longer saved by the works of the law which are the purification works, like circumcision and shedding the blood of animals.
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