I never talk to Jesus or the Holy Spirit

[Idolater]

Those who believe Christians are made incapable of sin at conversion make the bulk of the Bible unnecessary for them after they get saved. Consider the sinless Christian's interpretation of the following verses from 2 Timothy 3:

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

A sinless Christian would have to assume verses given to all men for reproof, for correction, and for instruction are not for the reproof of Christians who are sinless and therefore have no need for reproof or correction but are given to Christians to reprove lost people. I do not accept that twisted interpretation.

Yes. It's my main contention against both MAD and Calvinism, they are ethically void, and it's because of their own individual soteriologies yes but mainly just because their ethics is different, and that because their interpretation of the Apostles' place in the development and operation of the One Holy Catholic & Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ the Lord from heaven ("You are seated at the right hand of the Father, have mercy on us").

That they're ethically empty implies exactly what you say here, "[MAD or Calvinism ethics, e.g.] make the bulk of the Bible unnecessary for them after they get saved," and MADs and Calvinists will think that, "verses given to all men for reproof, for correction, and for instruction are not for the reproof of Christians."

Yes.

 

[Right Divider]

Yes. It's my main contention against both MAD and Calvinism, they are ethically void,

Lying does not help your case.

and it's because of their own individual soteriologies yes but mainly just because their ethics is different, and that because their interpretation of the Apostles' place in the development and operation of the One Holy Catholic & Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ the Lord from heaven ("You are seated at the right hand of the Father, have mercy on us").

Your confusion is understandable. Many people get confused and follow false religions.

That they're ethically empty implies exactly what you say here, "[MAD or Calvinism ethics, e.g.] make the bulk of the Bible unnecessary for them after they get saved,"

Lying does not help your case.

and MADs and Calvinists will think that, "verses given to all men for reproof, for correction, and for instruction are not for the reproof of Christians."

Silly to say the least.

 

[Idolater]

Lying does not help your case.

Your confusion is understandable. Many people get confused and follow false religions.

Lying does not help your case.

Silly to say the least.

My impression of MAD is the impression that everyone who is not MAD has of MAD ethics. I'm not lying, I'm informing you, and making a representative argument against MAD, which is a challenge to MADs, defend your theory. It would be good if you or some other MAD could dispel any false impression, if indeed it is a fake or false impression, of MAD ethics or morals. I know it's not a false impression of Calvinist ethics and morals because I was a Calvinist personally and in real life, not just on the internet. Calvinist ethics is void. If MAD ethics isn't void, let me know.

 

[Right Divider]

My impression of MAD is the impression that everyone who is not MAD has of MAD ethics.

Your "impression" is very poor and not based on facts.

I'm not lying, I'm informing you, and making a representative argument against MAD, which is a challenge to MADs, defend your theory.

It's not a theory. It's simply a natural and normal reading of the scripture.

It would be good if you or some other MAD could dispel any false impression,

We have done that many times in these forums. Some are not paying attention.

if indeed it is a fake or false impression, of MAD ethics or morals.

Our "ethics and moral" are purely and 100% Christian.

I know it's not a false impression of Calvinist ethics and morals because I was a Calvinist personally and in real life, not just on the internet. Calvinist ethics is void.

If MAD ethics isn't void, let me know.

MAD ethics are 100% Christian and Biblical. If you have some supposed evidence to the contrary, feel free to create a thread where we can discuss it.

 

[Hoping]

If by "prophets" you are referring to preachers of God's word, then yes, you should have prophets. If by "prophets" you mean men who reveal new messages from God that are revelations not revealed in the Bible then those are false prophets today because God has finished giving new revelations to men outside the Bible.

As long as you hold that view, you will never receive a revelation yourself.
Thankfully, Jesus told us ahead of time how to identify false prophets...by their fruit.
It is written..."Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit." (Matt 7:15-17)
First thing you ask someone who professes they are a prophet of God is..."Do you commit sin?"

 

[Hoping]

Why would Paul tell Christians to walk in the Spirit if not walking in the Spirit was impossible for sinless born-again believers?

He told them, and us, to walk in the Spirit, so we wouldn't show we were still walking in the flesh.
There is a war going on for our souls, and every exhortation and warning is critical to our salvation on the last day.

 

[Hoping]

Those who believe Christians are made incapable of sin at conversion make the bulk of the Bible unnecessary for them after they get saved. Consider the sinless Christian's interpretation of the following verses from 2 Timothy 3:

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

A sinless Christian would have to assume verses given to all men for reproof, for correction, and for instruction are not for the reproof of Christians who are sinless and therefore have no need for reproof or correction but are given to Christians to reprove lost people. I do not accept that twisted interpretation.

Not all who call themselves Christians are actually Christians.
The doctrines, reproofs, and instructions in righteousness are for our protection, growth, and also for the weeding out of the posers.
The end result is in 2 Tim 3:17..."That the man of God may be perfect..."
Thanks be to God.

 

[Hoping]

If every little thing you say, think, and do does not please the Father then you still sin.

You are correct, but you forgot that the things you don't do can also show you are still a sinner.

 

[Hoping]

We don't go to heaven because we don't murder someone, and we do not lose our salvation because we commit some insignificant sin. Salvation is based upon faith, not works. If we must endure to the end to be saved then enduring is not about never sinning, but about holding onto our faith in spite of sin.

If we commit sin, where was the faith that God would provide an escape from that sin?
It is written..."There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." (1 Cor 10:13)
Got faith?

 

[Hoping]

How can it be said Jesus is still guiding us into righteousness after we are saved if we supposedly are immediately incapable of unrighteousness once we have been baptized, having already reached perfection? Paul, on the other hand, had not reached perfection immediately after being baptized.

Phil. 3

10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,

14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.

He tells Christians to keep walking and maintain whatever level of perfection that is achieved as we continue to press on towards the state of perfection before God.

Because, we are not saved.
We are converted, from a sinner to believer in every word spoken by God.
We have a lifetime to prove we love God with all our might and our neighbor as we love ourselves.
Thankfully, God has given us everything we need to endure flawlessly until the day of judgement.
What we ARE saved from, is sinning.

 

[Right Divider]

Not all who call themselves Christians are actually Christians.

Look in a mirror.

 

[Hoping]

By saying you are already perfect does that mean you have attained perfection already, while Paul had not?

Phil. 3

12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

What Paul had not yet attained, was in the prior verse...11 "If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead."
The end of the chapter is where he elaborates further...21 "Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself."
What isn't yet perfect, is the vessel.
Thankfully, the mind is what is in control. (Rom 7:25)

 

[Hoping]

Look in a mirror.

What I see in a mirror, is the vessel of the Holy Ghost.
And I rejoice in the name of Jesus Christ.

 

[marke]

As long as you hold that view, you will never receive a revelation yourself.
Thankfully, Jesus told us ahead of time how to identify false prophets...by their fruit.
It is written..."Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit." (Matt 7:15-17)
First thing you ask someone who professes they are a prophet of God is..."Do you commit sin?"

When your prophets prophesy, do they begin by saying, "Thus saith the Lord...?"

1 Kings 12

22 But the word of God came unto Shemaiah the man of God, saying,

23 Speak unto Rehoboam, the son of Solomon, king of Judah, and unto all the house of Judah and Benjamin, and to the remnant of the people, saying,

24 Thus saith the Lord

After introducing their prophecy as the word from God do they quote the Bible or do they utter new revelations not recorded in the Bible?

 

[marke]

He told them, and us, to walk in the Spirit, so we wouldn't show we were still walking in the flesh.
There is a war going on for our souls, and every exhortation and warning is critical to our salvation on the last day.

Let me get this straight. Even though Paul knew they could not walk in the flesh after supposedly being made sinless, he still told them to walk in the Spirit to show others that they could not even walk in the flesh if they had wanted to?

 

[marke]

Not all who call themselves Christians are actually Christians.
The doctrines, reproofs, and instructions in righteousness are for our protection, growth, and also for the weeding out of the posers.
The end result is in 2 Tim 3:17..."That the man of God may be perfect..."
Thanks be to God.

Did God give us reproofs and corrections for the purpose of reproving and correcting ourselves when we sin, or for the purpose of reproving lost people of their sins?

 

[marke]

You are correct, but you forgot that the things you don't do can also show you are still a sinner.

Is it possible for you to do those things that displease the Father or not to do those things that do please the Father?

 

[marke]

Because, we are not saved.
We are converted, from a sinner to believer in every word spoken by God.
We have a lifetime to prove we love God with all our might and our neighbor as we love ourselves.
Thankfully, God has given us everything we need to endure flawlessly until the day of judgement.
What we ARE saved from, is sinning.

So, are you saying we are not saved and have not attained perfection even though we have been baptized?

 

[marke]

What Paul had not yet attained, was in the prior verse...11 "If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead."
The end of the chapter is where he elaborates further...21 "Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself."
What isn't yet perfect, is the vessel.
Thankfully, the mind is what is in control. (Rom 7:25)

What did Paul mean by saying he had not yet attained perfection and was not yet made perfect by the time he wrote the book of Philippians?

Philippians 3:12
Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

 

[marke]

What I see in a mirror, is the vessel of the Holy Ghost.
And I rejoice in the name of Jesus Christ.

Do you have those in your church with the gifts of working miracles? Have they ever raised the dead?

1 Corinthians 12:29
Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?

Matthew 10:8
Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.