Coronavirus slowing down.

ok doser

lifeguard at the cement pond
And another day building the plateau (new cases), definitely a trend downward from the higher plateau earlier in the month

And, as expected, a peak in the "Daily New Deaths" count, lagging the peak in the plateau of the "Daily New Cases" count.

And very little in social media or MSM about shortages of supplies or overcrowded health care facilities - from that perspective this seems to be a manageable level of disease propagation

 
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ok doser

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Still working the bugs out of attaching screenshots - but this looks promising. Anyhoo, you can see the graphic images better than I've been trying to describe verbally.
 

ok doser

lifeguard at the cement pond
Moved this exchange over from aCW's homo thread because I always feel icky after posting over there:

Covid-19 isn't an airborne virus by current parameters, it's contagious so that's just as much of a fail as the rest of your post.

nope


[h=1]Is the coronavirus airborne? Experts can’t agree[/h]
The World Health Organization says the evidence is not compelling, but scientists warn that gathering sufficient data could take years and cost lives.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00974-w


the news today?


[h=1]Air conditioning spread the coronavirus to 9 people sitting near an infected person in a restaurant, researchers say. It has huge implications for the service industry.[/h]
https://news.yahoo.com/air-conditioning-spread-coronavirus-10-154900420.html

 

chair

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Interesting.
Note that he isn't a medical professional. "Isaac Ben-Israel (Hebrew: יצחק בן ישראל‎, born 26 July 1949) is an Israeli military scientist, general and ex-politician. He currently serves as the chairman of the Israeli Space Agency and the National Council for Research and Development, under the auspices of the Ministry of Science, Technology and Space of Israel." (wikipedia)

Here I see the following:
"While he said he supports social distancing, the widespread shuttering of economies worldwide constitutes a demonstrable error in light of those statistics. In Israel’s case, he noted, about 140 people normally die every day. To have shuttered much of the economy because of a virus that is killing one or two a day is a radical error that is unnecessarily costing Israel 20% of its GDP, he charged."

Prof. Gabi Barbash, a hospital director and the former Health Ministry director general, insisted in a bitter TV exchange that Ben-Israel is mistaken, and that the death tolls would have been far higher if Israel and other countries had not taken the steps they did.

But Ben-Israel said the figures — notably from countries, such as Singapore, Taiwan, and Sweden, which did not take such radical measures to shutter their economies — proved his point. (He also released a paper to this effect, with graphs showing the trajectories.)

When Barbash cited New York as ostensible proof that Ben-Israel was mistaken, Ben-Israel noted the latest indications from New York were precisely in line with his statistics that indicate daily new cases figures peaking and starting to fall after about 40 days.

Asked to explain the phenomenon, Ben-Israel, who also heads Israel’s Space Agency, later said: “I have no explanation. There are all kinds of speculations. Maybe it’s related to climate, or the virus has a life-span of its own.”"

Ben-Israel is clearly wrong. Bringing Taiwan and Singapore as examples is weird. Taiwan avoided a lockdown only because they slammed their borders shut very early in the game, and tracked every single case carefully.

Basically is comes down to this: you do the social distancing thing. Things improved, or if you did them early, they turned out pretty good- and then some genius will say "see! you didn't need that! The projections were wrong!" But the projections were telling us what would happen if we didn't have social distancing. And places like Italy show that they were right. Things are calming down in Italy because of the lockdown

Why is it so hard to accept the plain facts here? Denial? Total mistrust of everybody?
 

eider

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Thursday 23/04
This morning our Chief Medical Officer (UK) told us (this is what could hear) that:-
We can expect some forms of isolation and/or social distancing to continue for the rest of this year.
The Coronavirus will be with around for a very very long time.
Vaccine research commenced today at Oxford University, which is extremely fast, but that any successes could take well over a year.
We need to continue as a nation to keep to the lockdown and social distancing measures.

And so for us the message is not to relax the measures that we have kept to, but to continue to persevere with them.
 

Gary K

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Thursday 23/04
This morning our Chief Medical Officer (UK) told us (this is what could hear) that:-
We can expect some forms of isolation and/or social distancing to continue for the rest of this year.
The Coronavirus will be with around for a very very long time.
Vaccine research commenced today at Oxford University, which is extremely fast, but that any successes could take well over a year.
We need to continue as a nation to keep to the lockdown and social distancing measures.

And so for us the message is not to relax the measures that we have kept to, but to continue to persevere with them.

In other words he's telling you to get ready to starve to death. Where is it that you think the products you buy in the grocery store come from? Fairy dust? Where do you think the money to produce those things comes from? Fairy dust? Does it all just somehow magically appear?

Manufacturing exists because it is an absolute necessity to survive and for people to have a way to make a living. Without all those jobs for another year what do you think is going to happen to the products and the wealth necessary to live? Where is it going to come from? Magic fairy dust?
 

eider

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In other words he's telling you to get ready to starve to death. Where is it that you think the products you buy in the grocery store come from? Fairy dust? Where do you think the money to produce those things comes from? Fairy dust? Does it all just somehow magically appear?

Manufacturing exists because it is an absolute necessity to survive and for people to have a way to make a living. Without all those jobs for another year what do you think is going to happen to the products and the wealth necessary to live? Where is it going to come from? Magic fairy dust?

Don't tell me.
tell our Chief Medical Officer.

When folks shout at me I don't listen. :)
 

eider

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UMMMMM.... THIS IS SHOUTING. This is talking.

Fair enough.
Thing is, the majority of us here are solid with our Chief Science and Chief Medical Officers.

I cannot know what the atmosphere is amongst your folks but here there is an average of unified team spirit towards our leaders and their decisions.

This could be good or bad but we seem to have decided to put our trust in to them.

That's all. If any of your States drop isolation and lockdown then at least other States and countries can observe to see how that goes.

Just now it's anybody's guess... there are no experts on this illness yet.
 

chair

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That's all. If any of your States drop isolation and lockdown then at least other States and countries can observe to see how that goes.
.

It's one of those things that are hard to do a controlled study of. Those who have tried managing without isolation and lockdown have changed their minds about it.
 

ok doser

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eider

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It's one of those things that are hard to do a controlled study of. Those who have tried managing without isolation and lockdown have changed their minds about it.
Sure, but if any State or country does drop isolation and lockdown then at least there might be a positive in as much as the results can be observed.
 

eider

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