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  • #16
    Originally posted by Alate_One View Post
    Dragonflies are an entire order. Saying they're all the same is like saying all of the members of the mammalian order Carnivora are the same species.
    I disagree. They are a genus called “anax”. They can all be interbred, so they are all the same species.
    Just like bees can all be interbred, and so on.

    I think you're lacking in some knowledge of biological terminology.

    How do you define the word "species"?
    I gave My definition for the term “species” in My original Posts:
    The largest group of animals capable of producing offspring.


    Because they haven't been separated for very long. Reproductive barriers take time to appear.
    How long have the Black Bear, and the Polar Bear been separated? They can still interbreed; I think your understanding of biology and reproduction is lacking.

    How long exactly do you assume they have to be separated until they lose the ability to interbreed?

    Speciation has not directly been seen by a single human because it takes far longer than a human lifetime to occur. You may as well say that a Redwood tree can't grow from a redwood seed, because no person has ever seen one grow from seedling to mature.
    I didn’t Mean “seen by any human”, silly; although it has not; I mean, there is no evidence for speciation whatsoever: as in, the vast fossil record contains no proof speciation has ever occurred... did you watch the last video I posted about “Missing Links”?

    Or, did you ignore that video, like you have apparently disregarded my questions in the original posts?

    You jumped in all Willy Nilly trying to debate logical statements, without addressing any of my critical thought questions...

    That's true, but species aren't static, they change over time.
    How do you define the term Species?

    Not Static eh?
    Like I asked you before; Do you think evolution happens fast or slow? It appears your plastic theory of evolution also allows you to believe macro-speciation does not happen whatsoever, for hundreds of Millions of years; given you accept the idea of species remaining anatomically unchanged for tens, and in some cases hundreds of millions of years...

    And you have these examples in a list because they are the FEW creatures that do stay mostly the same. Most of them do not stay the same.
    There are plenty more examples of fossils of modern species of animals. You are choosing to remain ignorant of them, probably because they don’t fit your beliefs.

    Do a little research, you will see what I’m talking about.

    What would you say if I told you there have been Birds found in full form as fossils, that supposedly date back over 100 Million years?

    Mosquitoes, Bees, Mice, trees of all kinds, crabs, starfish: the list goes on and on.

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    And now, for today’s extremely long, and ultimately incredibly informing video!!!

    Some of you may have watched this video before, it was made in the early 90’s; however, many of you have not.
    If you are interested in the subject of creation theory and the flaws in the evolution theory, and you don’t have the time to watch it now, I suggest you do when you find some extra time. This video covers the Evolution Theory problem of missing links: it covers the lies and flaws about horse, whale, and human evolution. It covers the effect the evolution teaching has had on mankind. It covers the scientifically disproven lies taught to our children in the textbooks, and the way it infects their minds.

    Dr. Kent Hovind (Granddaddy of YEC theory)

    “Lies in the Textbooks”

    Evolutionists like A Late One, and Arthur may want to start this video 30 minutes in... I doubt they will watch it at all though, and would be fully surprised if they read this post to this point...•



    The US Government put Dr. Hovind into prison for years, for tax evasion and not paying taxes for the money he made selling his video lectures, even the one above, that you may be viewing now. I don’t know why he didn’t get a warning and a chance to pay off the taxes as they give most US Citizens, but he spent near a decade behind bars in a federal prison.

    http://www.pnj.com/story/news/local/...cola/29969745/
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    • #17
      Originally posted by chair View Post
      The theory of evolution deals with changes in populations over time, i.e. over generations. The population is of course made up of individuals, but each individual doesn't evolve. The process occurs over generations- each generation is slightly different from the previous one.

      The basic idea is quite simple. You continue with your absurd word games. I guess it makes you feel good to waste people's time.
      If you really believe this; How do you justify the fact there are fossils of animals that are anatomically indifferent to their Modern versions we share this planet with?

      I Mean, if every generation is slightly different than the previous, there would be no fossils of animals that appear in the Modern world as living creatures whatsoever...

      However, there are fossils of this nature, and this is a way to test creation theory. The theory of Creation is a testable theory, and these fossils are all evidence in its favor.

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      Wow!!! This is just like in the Musick video I posted, when the one dude gets his leg busted off, and then they show a picture of a monkey and a drawing pad with a bird that looks just like the other bird, but a slightly different size of anatomy... I just busted one of your logic legs right out from under you, and your illogical belief system.

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      • #18
        In your opinion:
        Why would evolutionists go as far as to falsify findings to try to prove their theory?

        Originally posted by a late one
        They're not. Creationists however, lie and distort evidence all the time.
        Oh no?

        Video Time!!!

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        • #19
          Originally posted by mtwilcox View Post
          I disagree. They are a genus called “anax”. They can all be interbred, so they are all the same species.
          Just like bees can all be interbred, and so on.



          I gave My definition for the term “species” in My original Posts:
          The largest group of animals capable of producing offspring.




          How long have the Black Bear, and the Polar Bear been separated? They can still interbreed; I think your understanding of biology and reproduction is lacking.

          How long exactly do you assume they have to be separated until they lose the ability to interbreed?



          I didn’t Mean “seen by any human”, silly; although it has not; I mean, there is no evidence for speciation whatsoever: as in, the vast fossil record contains no proof speciation has ever occurred... did you watch the last video I posted about “Missing Links”?

          Or, did you ignore that video, like you have apparently disregarded my questions in the original posts?

          You jumped in all Willy Nilly trying to debate logical statements, without addressing any of my critical thought questions...



          How do you define the term Species?

          Not Static eh?
          Like I asked you before; Do you think evolution happens fast or slow? It appears your plastic theory of evolution also allows you to believe macro-speciation does not happen whatsoever, for hundreds of Millions of years; given you accept the idea of species remaining anatomically unchanged for tens, and in some cases hundreds of millions of years...



          There are plenty more examples of fossils of modern species of animals. You are choosing to remain ignorant of them, probably because they don’t fit your beliefs.

          Do a little research, you will see what I’m talking about.

          What would you say if I told you there have been Birds found in full form as fossils, that supposedly date back over 100 Million years?

          Mosquitoes, Bees, Mice, trees of all kinds, crabs, starfish: the list goes on and on.

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          And now, for today’s extremely long, and ultimately incredibly informing video!!!

          Some of you may have watched this video before, it was made in the early 90’s; however, many of you have not.
          If you are interested in the subject of creation theory and the flaws in the evolution theory, and you don’t have the time to watch it now, I suggest you do when you find some extra time. This video covers the Evolution Theory problem of missing links: it covers the lies and flaws about horse, whale, and human evolution. It covers the effect the evolution teaching has had on mankind. It covers the scientifically disproven lies taught to our children in the textbooks, and the way it infects their minds.

          Dr. Kent Hovind (Granddaddy of YEC theory)

          “Lies in the Textbooks”

          Evolutionists like A Late One, and Arthur may want to start this video 30 minutes in... I doubt they will watch it at all though, and would be fully surprised if they read this post to this point...•



          The US Government put Dr. Hovind into prison for years, for tax evasion and not paying taxes for the money he made selling his video lectures, even the one above, that you may be viewing now. I don’t know why he didn’t get a warning and a chance to pay off the taxes as they give most US Citizens, but he spent near a decade behind bars in a federal prison.

          http://www.pnj.com/story/news/local/...cola/29969745/
          Um, Kent Hovind isn't even highly regarded within creationist circles, in some cases strongly criticized for holding arguments already discredited and done away with within YEC.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_Hovind
          Well this is fun isn't it?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by chair View Post
            I didn't use the word "creatures" at leat where you quoted me.
            And I never quoted you as having used the word "creatures", so what's your point?
            All my ancestors are human.
            PS: All your ancestors are human.
            PPS: To all you cats, dogs, monkeys, and other assorted house pets whose masters are outsourcing the task of TOL post-writing to you (we know who you are )– you may disregard the PS.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Alate_One View Post
              Yes I did mean a species.
              Why did you not say "species", if you meant a species?

              Originally posted by Alate_One View Post
              I don't mean an individual animal when discussing biological evolution,
              You mean you don't mean an individual species when discussing biological evolution?? I can't tell whether you mean an animal, here, or a species, since, as you admit, you have trouble saying "species" when you mean a species, and you have trouble refraining from saying "animal" when you do not mean an animal.

              Originally posted by Alate_One View Post
              that only happens in video games.
              I'll take your word for it that it happens in video games.
              All my ancestors are human.
              PS: All your ancestors are human.
              PPS: To all you cats, dogs, monkeys, and other assorted house pets whose masters are outsourcing the task of TOL post-writing to you (we know who you are )– you may disregard the PS.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by mtwilcox View Post
                For evolution to be the cause or origin of the various species we see in fossils and in the Modern world, a species has to become another species; this Macro-speciation if you will, has never been observed
                Originally posted by Alate_One View Post
                Not directly by a single human because it takes far longer than a human lifetime to occur. You may as well say that a Redwood tree can't grow from a redwood seed, because no person has ever seen one grow from seedling to mature.
                Alate_One, would you say that for a species to evolve is for it to become another species? Or, would you say that for a species to evolve is for it to originate another species?

                Originally posted by Alate_One View Post
                That's true, but species aren't static, they change over time.
                From what, into what, does a species change over time? Does a species change into another species?
                All my ancestors are human.
                PS: All your ancestors are human.
                PPS: To all you cats, dogs, monkeys, and other assorted house pets whose masters are outsourcing the task of TOL post-writing to you (we know who you are )– you may disregard the PS.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by 7djengo7 View Post
                  And I never quoted you as having used the word "creatures", so what's your point?
                  Here's a bit from your posts:
                  Originally posted by 7djengo7 View Post
                  Here's what one of my other "science" professors taught me:

                  Quote Originally Posted by chair
                  The theory of evolution has nothing to do with changes in individual animals or plants. It deals with populations.
                  So, above, by your word, "creatures", do you not mean individual animals? You're not seriously going to tell me that, by "creatures", you did not mean individual animals, and that you, rather, meant populations, are you??

                  By "Most [creatures] do not stay the same," do you not mean "Most individual animals evolve"?
                  You pretended that I used the word "creatures". I didn't.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by chair View Post
                    Here's a bit from your posts:


                    You pretended that I used the word "creatures". I didn't.
                    I never thought/said you used the word "creatures": neither in my words that you just quoted, nor anywhere else, have I said that you used the word, "creatures". I never even addressed you in the post you just quoted from. I was addressing Alate_One in that post. In the words you quoted from my post---

                    Originally posted by 7djengo7 View Post
                    By "Most [creatures] do not stay the same," do you not mean "Most individual animals evolve"?
                    Alate_One is the antecedent of the highlighted pronoun, "you", and you are not the antecedent of it. You have no more reason for saying that you are the antecedent of that pronoun than you would have for saying that I, 7djengo7, am the antecedent of my pronoun, "you", in what I just now wrote:

                    Alate_One is the antecedent of the highlighted pronoun, "you", and not you.
                    Whether out of sloppy inattention to the context in my post, or dishonesty, you have conjured up your false accusation against me out of your own imagination, because what you accuse me of has no basis in anything I have written.
                    All my ancestors are human.
                    PS: All your ancestors are human.
                    PPS: To all you cats, dogs, monkeys, and other assorted house pets whose masters are outsourcing the task of TOL post-writing to you (we know who you are )– you may disregard the PS.

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                    • #25
                      A Late One
                      Chair
                      Arthur Brain
                      And any other Evol

                      Did you know that there are sections of DNA within the human genome which evolutionists have claimed in the past to have no function; and, they referred to these sections as “junk DNA”?

                      It turns out that these portions do have function and are necessary in living creatures.

                      Also, evolutionists have claimed that humans contain vestigial organs and anatomy, left over from a previous evolutionary state...; however, in recent years scientists have discovered that tonsils and the appendix both do indeed have a purpose and function.

                      These false assumptions put forth by evolutionists have been discredited by Science, and are in reality functional DNA sections, organs, and anatomy; which is what we would expect to observe if creation theory is truth.

                      Creation theory is testable and obviously the only logical explanation of how the various forms of life we share this planet with came to exist; no matter how many times evolutionists try to claim it is not.

                      This fact shows that the belief in the false religion of evolution, leads to incorrect assumptions about nature; and, and shows how this dangerous belief system leads to non-science (nonsense) being taught to the masses.

                      Our amazing powerful creator God has made everything with a purpose, and that is what can be observed; this is another powerful observable truth which is in favor of the creation theory.

                      Evidence and Proof of creation is observable in every aspect of nature; however, Evidence and Proof of evolution is not observable whatsoever. With this knowledge it becomes painfully clear, that evolution is a lie, and creation is the truth.


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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by mtwilcox View Post
                        A Late One
                        Chair
                        Arthur Brain
                        And any other Evol

                        Did you know that there are sections of DNA within the human genome which evolutionists have claimed in the past to have no function; and, they referred to these sections as “junk DNA”?It turns out that these portions do have function and are necessary in living creatures.

                        The people who claimed this were scientists. In science, one corrects ideas based on new information. That's how it works. This is not a failure of science- it i how it is done, and is one of its strengths.

                        In religion, some people claim to have absolute eternal truths. When new information arises, these people have to deny the information, twist facts, or otherwise blind themselves to reality.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by mtwilcox View Post
                          I disagree. They are a genus called “anax”.
                          A dragonfly is an insect belonging to the order Odonata, infraorder Anisoptera (from Greek ἄνισος anisos, "unequal" and πτερόν pteron, "wing", because the hindwing is broader than the forewing).
                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonfly

                          Alate_One is correct. You are wrong.

                          They can all be interbred, so they are all the same species.
                          Just like bees can all be interbred, and so on.
                          No, that's wrong, too. There are seven families of bees, each with a number of genera, and within each genus, many species.

                          I gave My definition for the term “species” in My original Posts:
                          The largest group of animals capable of producing offspring.
                          So only whales are "species?" Or maybe only beetles? Depending on what you mean by "largest."

                          How long have the Black Bear, and the Polar Bear been separated?
                          Millions of years. A very long time.

                          They can still interbreed
                          No,they can't. When a brown bear meets a black bear, the black bear is generally dinner, unless he gets away very quickly. You're thinking of brown bears, which diverged from polar bears maybe 100,000 years ago, and which can still interbreed.

                          I didn’t Mean “seen by any human”, silly; although it has not; I mean, there is no evidence for speciation whatsoever:
                          Even many creationist organizations now admit the fact of speciation. Would you like me to show you that? They just say it isn't "real evolution."

                          You jumped in all Willy Nilly trying to debate logical statements, without addressing any of my critical thought questions...
                          So far, we haven't seen any from you. Just to check on your "missing links", can you name any two major groups of animals, said to be evolutionarily connected, that don't have a transitional form between them?

                          Not Static eh?
                          Like I asked you before; Do you think evolution happens fast or slow?
                          Do you think rivers run fast or slow?

                          What would you say if I told you there have been Birds found in full form as fossils, that supposedly date back over 100 Million years?
                          The first known true bird (or something very, very close to a true bird) lived about 130 million years ago.

                          And now, for today’s extremely long, and ultimately incredibly informing video!!!
                          If you think there's anything worth mentioning therein, be sure to tell us about it.

                          Dr. Kent Hovind (Granddaddy of YEC theory)
                          Nope. YE creationism was invented by the Seventh-Day Adventists. Hovind (who bought his "doctorate" from a "University" which consists of a trailer and some filing cabinets) merely copied their new religion and preaches the parts of it he likes.

                          The US Government put Dr. Hovind into prison for years, for tax evasion and not paying taxes for the money he made selling his video lectures, even the one above, that you may be viewing now. I don’t know why he didn’t get a warning and a chance to pay off the taxes as they give most US Citizens,
                          He did get several warnings. He thought he was smarter than the law, too.

                          but he spent near a decade behind bars in a federal prison.
                          Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
                            A dragonfly is an insect belonging to the order Odonata, infraorder Anisoptera (from Greek ἄνισος anisos, "unequal" and πτερόν pteron, "wing", because the hindwing is broader than the forewing).
                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonfly
                            I simply stated what came up on google search, that large dragonflies are part of a genus called “Anex”...

                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anax_(dragonfly)

                            What I’m claiming is that dragonflies are all one species, and can be interbred.
                            Prove me wrong, Barbie...

                            No, that's wrong, too. There are seven families of bees, each with a number of genera, and within each genus, many species.
                            To state what I’m saying more clearly:
                            All bees can be interbred, all wasps can be interbred.
                            All members of any given genus can be interbred and produce viable offspring, because they are the same species. All finches can be interbred, all parrots can be interbred, all bears can be interbred, all dogs can be interbred; and, wolves are also dogs because they can all interbreed.

                            From:

                            https://wolf.org/wolf-info/basic-wol...f-dog-hybrids/

                            “Wolves and dogs are interfertile, meaning they can breed and produce viable offspring. In other words, wolves can interbreed with any type of dog, and their offspring are capable of producing offspring themselves.“

                            And:

                            https://www.google.com/search?q=Are%...=firefox-b-1-m

                            “For years, wolves and dogs were considered separate species: canis familiaris and canis lupus. ... Unlike dogs and foxes, wolves and dogs can reproduce, creating the controversial wolf-dog. When two animals can create a fertile offspring, they're considered to be of the same species.”


                            So only whales are "species?" Or maybe only beetles? Depending on what you mean by "largest."
                            A Species is the largest group of animals which are able to reproduce and have viable offspring.

                            How do you define species?


                            No,they can't. When a brown bear meets a black bear, the black bear is generally dinner, unless he gets away very quickly. You're thinking of brown bears, which diverged from polar bears maybe 100,000 years ago, and which can still interbreed.
                            Did you go and just assume you are correct again?

                            Turns out:

                            “An ursid hybrid is an animal with parents from two different species or subspecies of the Ursidae (bear) family. Species and subspecies of bear known to have produced offspring with another bear species or subspecies include black bears, grizzly bears and polar bears, all of which are members of the Ursus genus.”

                            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursid_hybrid



                            Even many creationist organizations now admit the fact of speciation. Would you like me to show you that? They just say it isn't "real evolution."
                            Really? Yes, show me this! Give some credit to your claim.

                            So far, we haven't seen any from you. Just to check on your "missing links", can you name any two major groups of animals, said to be evolutionarily connected, that don't have a transitional form between them?
                            Two major groups?
                            Evolutionists claim all modern species share a common ancestor, and Darwin said that if evolution theory holds merit than there should be fossils of intermediate forms throughout the fossil record. However, there are no missing links discovered to date.
                            This fact disproves the theory of evolution all on its own, and points to creation being a better theory and explanation as to how all the various forms of life found in the modern world and the fossil record originated.

                            I challenge you to show me a “missing link”... LoL!

                            Do you think evolution happens fast or slow?

                            The fact that modern forms animals appear in the same fossil layers as fossils, that you and other evolutionists claim are the oldest fossil layers that contain life on the planet, suggests evolution does not happen at all.



                            The first known true bird (or something very, very close to a true bird) lived about 130 million years ago.
                            What is not “bird like” about that fossil?
                            You seem to suggest the supposed 130 million year old bird fossil is different from modern bird species in some way... what anatomy is contained in modern birds, which is not contained in this supposed 130 million year old bird fossil?



                            From:

                            https://www.phys.org/news/2015-05-fo...dern-bird.html

                            A challenge for evolutionary theory

                            “In recent years, however, researchers have learned two important things that have challenged that narrative. First, many researchers no longer consider Archaeopteryx to be a bird at all, rather a member of a closely-related group of feathered theropod dinosaurs. In addition, new fossil discoveries, especially from China, have dramatically widened our view of the diversity of early birds.

                            The fossils described in the recent study, published in Nature Communications, were dug out from silt rocks just 10m years younger than those which gave us Archaeopteryx. It is extremely surprising that ornithuromorph birds had evolved and diversified to that extent in just 10m years after Archaeopteryx.”

                            The fact that birds have been found in fossil form from supposedly +/- 130 million years ago, and contain all the same functional anatomy their modern descendants do today; makes it pretty obvious evolution theory is false, and that creatures are not in a constant state of change: whether you believe this change is slow or fast.
                            It’s pretty obvious to me, and apparently evolution believing scientists, according to that article; that the archaeopteryx is not an evolutionary link between dinosaurs and modern birds: given fully developed birds have been found that are supposedly just +/- 10 million years younger than the archaeopteryx.

                            So, why do you believe that birds descended from the archaeopteryx?



                            If you think there's anything worth mentioning therein, be sure to tell us about it.

                            Nope. YE creationism was invented by the Seventh-Day Adventists. Hovind (who bought his "doctorate" from a "University" which consists of a trailer and some filing cabinets) merely copied their new religion and preaches the parts of it he likes.

                            He did get several warnings. He thought he was smarter than the law, too.

                            Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time.
                            You mean you didn’t watch his video???

                            All of what he “mentions” is worth mentioning.



                            P.S. Hey Barbarian!!!


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                            Barbie, this video contains information from the Kent Hovind Video which I think is worth mentioning:

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by chair View Post
                              The people who claimed this were scientists. In science, one corrects ideas based on new information. That's how it works. This is not a failure of science- it i how it is done, and is one of its strengths.

                              In religion, some people claim to have absolute eternal truths. When new information arises, these people have to deny the information, twist facts, or otherwise blind themselves to reality.
                              You are right, it’s not a failure of science; instead, it is a failure of evolution theory: a theory which is constantly leading to false assumptions about nature, proving it is a problem in the science communities rather than a solution.

                              To me Science means “Observable Truth”.

                              How do you define the term Science?

                              Evolution theory is obviously not Science, given it is unobservable; evolution theory should be in a different category such as non-science, (nonsense), or fiction.

                              So, does this mean you admit there are no vestigial organs in living creatures?

                              This fact hurts the theory of evolution, and gives credit to creation!

                              Darwin believed that there would be vestigial organs in animals and humans if his theory was true. He even named the appendix as one he knew about, but now we know it does have a function and is not vestigial at all...

                              God has made everything with a purpose; this is another powerful observable truth, which suggests God made living creatures originally in the same form they appear in Nature today.


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                              No vestigial organs, or anatomy???


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                              • #30
                                Here are some more findings on the subject of wolf and dogs being the same exact species:

                                https://www.theguardian.com/notesand...-22904,00.html

                                From the link:

                                “A wolf/dog hybrid is fertile and is in fact not a hybrid at all because wolves and dogs are exactly the same species. The dog is now known scientifically as Canis Lupus Familiaris and not just Canis Familiaris (as it is in older textbooks) in recognition of this fact.”


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